I've Figured it Out - Drug Theory

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I've Figured it Out - Drug Theory

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It was a dodge, a red herring. This was never about Bree's religion - they only wanted us to think that. Well, at least I have some idea as to what is going on...

Some rogue pharmaceutical company is producing a new type of drug, and is testing it on Bree. The ceremony Bree was to perform was just a cover up - an excuse to inject with mysterious shots. The Order might not even exist.

That isn't to say that the Order of Denderah isn't real. There might be two parties working together - The Order, and whoever is making the drugs.

Whatever the case, I'm fairly certain this has more to do with drugs than with some scandalous ceremony.

OH! I just remembered something else! When Daniel broke into Lucy's apartment, his camera recorded a poster on the wall of a girl drinking some strange brew. It was called "Absinthe Robette." I just looked over the posts for that vid, #82, and the one hundred thirty-fouth post by "Shoudbestudying" stated:

You may have heard of the alcoholic drink “absinthe” a green colored beverage that is now illegal in most countries. And rightfully so as it has been said that the painter Vincent van Gogh was imbibing of absinthe when he lopped off his ear to send to a woman.

Lucy is connected to some sort of drug manufacturing/shipping company, and was keeping an eye on Bree. Her fascination with illicit substances is evidenced by the poster in her room. This all further supports the drug angle.

Here's more info on absinthe from post #175, by Haley:

And absinthe… is illegal for purchase in the United States (or at least that’s the way I read the law… it’s posted at the end of this comment.) If you’ve ever seen Moulin Rouge, the Green Fairy is what absinthe is commonly refered to as- and maybe that gives everyone who has never tried it a general idea as to what it does to your mind.

Here’s the law:
According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, “The importation of Absinthe and any other liquors or liqueurs that contain Artemisia absinthium is prohibited.”[25] This runs contrary to FDA regulations, which allow Artemisia species in foods or beverages, but those that contain Artemisia species, white cedar, oak moss, tansy or Yarrow, must be thujone free.[26] Other herbs that contain thujone have no restrictions. For example, sage and sage oil (which can be almost 50% thujone[20]) are on the FDA’s list of substances generally recognized as safe.[27]

The prevailing consensus of interpretation of United States law and regulations among American absinthe connoisseurs is that it is probably legal to purchase such a product for personal use in the U.S. It is illegal to sell items meant for human consumption which contain thujone derived from Artemisia species. (This derives from an Food and Drug Administration regulation, as opposed to a DEA regulation.) Customs regulations specifically forbid the importation of “absinthe”. Absinthe can be and occasionally is seized by United States Customs if it appears to be for human consumption and can be seized inside the U.S. with a warrant.[28][29]

A faux-absinthe liquor called Absente, made with southern wormwood (Artemisia abrotanum) instead of regular wormwood (Artemisia absinthium), is sold legally in the United States and does not contain thujone.



What do you all think? Am I right? Or am I full of it? Can any of you supply some pictures of the poster? I also noticed that when Daniel recently was at Bree's house, he shot an image of another drug called "celebrex." Can some bring up that image? I'd do it, but I'm not really good at this computer stuff :?.

PS: I know that celebrex and epogen are real drugs. I'm starting to wonder whether or not Bree was being injected with something else disguised as epogen. I'm more than certain, though, that everything leads back to the drugs somehow.
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Post by Beckers »

I love absinthe...and I can buy it at the specialty liquor store that is just down the street from me.
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Beckers wrote:I love absinthe...and I can buy it at the specialty liquor store that is just down the street from me.
we just bought a bunch the other day.


this is funny. because we were joking around yesterday saying that the order is actually an absinthe factory!

i'd like opaphid a lot more if it was!
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absinthe posters are fairly popular decorations. i guess people like the old fashioned look of them. i see them all the time at places like home good, places that sell all those crafty looking decorations that my mom thinks are sooo cute. so i wouldn't say that the poster says anything about lucy's character, but being that everything means something in this game, you're probably right in thinking its a push towards the significance of drugs in the story.
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Post by licoricesniper »

My boyfriend ordered me Absinthe for Christmas but it was seized by customs. I found the customs letter in the bathroom cabinet when I was looking for the Lysol the other day. DOH!!!!
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Phantom, I think you are really on to something,and absinthe may be a factor, but you may have gone a little overboard.

The indications of drug use are ALL over the place when you look...

Especially Bree's eratic behavior, one minute she is freaking out about her parents, the next she is "so Booooored", the image of her cuddling and talking with P.Monkey in the park is a significant image of a schizophrenic episode. Now she is chipper and joyful at Joan-us' house but not after a couple days of absence and a veery weepy vlog where she says "life will never be the same"

Assolutely this is a drug story - Damn it seems so clear now (since an f'ing Dr. is one of the authors!)

quick ramble...I am at work , and plus I have to go Christmas shopping but again, excellent call!

BTW Celebrex is a pain med used instead of opiates like percocet and vicoden for thiose who are intolerant of morphine based drugs


Beelow is an observation I shared over at the Cove
Drug Indications:

While on the run, Bree became increasingly bitchy, and began to display some very clear symptoms of Schizophrenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia) - taking her P-Monkey to the movies, putting a band-aid on Owen and - OMG- talking to and nuzzling that god-damned monkey in the park...her anger and frustration seemed to peek in the garage when DB said he was done and was leaving ...

and then

first vid:
at Joan-us' house: locked in a room by herself, she is clearly very weepy and out of sorts- withdrawal?; now she is telling Daniel there is nothing to go back to, that there life before is gone.

next vid:
in Jonus's "Den" she seems happier and now she is asking DB to join her once again


next vid:
now we see her almost giddy, gleeful, talking freely about things - things she has never spoken about before -and chasing leads on the phone...talking openly about Cassie who in some peoples opinion is really just Bree's alter ego schizophrenia? again like in the park talking to P.Monkey

next vid:
now she is in the yard with Joan-us, skateboarding and acting the same young home-schooled girl we once knew and later she's back on-line chatting to Daniel

Apparently drugs we have seen so far are not inidcated in schizophrenic episodes but it sure as shit seems like she has been up and down and it aint just her "cycle"
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Hmmmm you are definitely on to something...
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Slainte wrote:
While on the run, Bree became increasingly bitchy, and began to display some very clear symptoms of Schizophrenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia) - taking her P-Monkey to the movies, putting a band-aid on Owen and - OMG- talking to and nuzzling that god-damned monkey in the park...her anger and frustration seemed to peek in the garage when DB said he was done and was leaving ...

...

next vid:
now we see her almost giddy, gleeful, talking freely about things - things she has never spoken about before -and chasing leads on the phone...talking openly about Cassie who in some peoples opinion is really just Bree's alter ego schizophrenia? again like in the park talking to P.Monkey
That first part could possibly be classified as schizophrenia (I say only possibly because we don't know if Bree truly believed that the stuffed toys were alive or talking to her; schizophrenia entails believing you detect things that aren't actually happening). If she was only consciously pretending very hard, then it wasn't schizophrenia. I've gotten the impression from later videos that it was only her pretending in an attempt to distance herself from reality.

That second part, though, wouldn't be a sign of schizophrenia at all, I think. Bipolar disorder maybe (going from periods of elation to periods of depression; there's a whole lot of different manifestations of this condition, with different lengths of elated/depressed time for pretty much each individual; something like pretending the toys are real in order to distance oneself from reality during a depressed period could certainly happen), but certainly not schizophrenia.

However, if Cassie really doesn't exist, one could possibly make the case that she's schizophrenic, but I don't think it would make sense that it would be the only time Bree thought she saw something that didn't actually happen. More than likely, if Cassie doesn't exist it's confabulation and not schizophrenia.
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Lurker wrote:
Slainte wrote:
While on the run, Bree became increasingly bitchy, and began to display some very clear symptoms of Schizophrenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia) - taking her P-Monkey to the movies, putting a band-aid on Owen and - OMG- talking to and nuzzling that god-damned monkey in the park...her anger and frustration seemed to peek in the garage when DB said he was done and was leaving ...

...

next vid:
now we see her almost giddy, gleeful, talking freely about things - things she has never spoken about before -and chasing leads on the phone...talking openly about Cassie who in some peoples opinion is really just Bree's alter ego schizophrenia? again like in the park talking to P.Monkey
That first part could possibly be classified as schizophrenia (I say only possibly because we don't know if Bree truly believed that the stuffed toys were alive or talking to her; schizophrenia entails believing you detect things that aren't actually happening). If she was only consciously pretending very hard, then it wasn't schizophrenia. I've gotten the impression from later videos that it was only her pretending in an attempt to distance herself from reality.

That second part, though, wouldn't be a sign of schizophrenia at all, I think. Bipolar disorder maybe (going from periods of elation to periods of depression; there's a whole lot of different manifestations of this condition, with different lengths of elated/depressed time for pretty much each individual; something like pretending the toys are real in order to distance oneself from reality during a depressed period could certainly happen), but certainly not schizophrenia.

However, if Cassie really doesn't exist, one could possibly make the case that she's schizophrenic, but I don't think it would make sense that it would be the only time Bree thought she saw something that didn't actually happen. More than likely, if Cassie doesn't exist it's confabulation and not schizophrenia.
I have bipolar disorder....so I get where your soming from eith this info
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yeahsure Beckers..you and every other angsty douche bag out there...

and Lurker; god damnit I hate it when you disagree with me especially when you have a solid argument.
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Epogen and Jehovah's Witnesses

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they are to "abstain from blood"; this belief results in the refusal to accept transfusions of blood or blood components.

The use of epogen to increase the number of red blood cells is one suggested alternative to a blood transfusion.

However, the presence of human albumin in the epogen mixture may preclude its use in some Jehovah's Witnesses...
Intresting. Also, celebrex and Epogen ae made byt he same company.
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Slainte wrote:yeahsure Beckers..you and every other angsty douche bag out there...

and Lurker; god damnit I hate it when you disagree with me especially when you have a solid argument.
I don't appreciate....it's a serious condition that is not to be taken lightly.
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Beckers wrote:
Slainte wrote:yeahsure Beckers..you and every other angsty douche bag out there...
I don't appreciate....it's a serious condition that is not to be taken lightly.
So take some pills, go to group, have a long nap and quit your whining.

sheesh....no one cares, but then I guess you feel that way most of the time.

Now just so I remain OT....

ok so I'm picking at a scab...but recent events indicate that "Cassie is Bree" may have some validity.

I sense that there was some real tension about this subject back in the "olden days" but this is the "new" Cassie - the one I believe the authors have embraced.

(CG et al I know you hate the crossover vids - I do too- but there they are. Whattya gonna do?)

So I submit the latest "Its Cassies" vid - VERY spooky, VERY cool

http://one.revver.com/watch/126214

It may not be true BUT it IS a worthwhile theory. Maybe they aren't the same person, maybe it is somethng way more bizarre than that - an insane twin? a genetic experiment gone wrong (as in a bad cloning)

There are some other "clues" to this in the "Swimming" episode but I think the authors have spun around so many times that old clues may be of little value. If they did have a storyboard in the beginning it must be a doorstop by now.
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Slainte wrote:
Beckers wrote:
Slainte wrote:yeahsure Beckers..you and every other angsty douche bag out there...
I don't appreciate....it's a serious condition that is not to be taken lightly.
So take some pills, go to group, have a long nap and quit your whining.

sheesh....no one cares, but then I guess you feel that way most of the time.
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Post by Slainte »

CRAP LURKER!!!!! damnit!

So I'm impressed with the use of the word confabulation, and I decide to look it up just to be sure you are using it right, and what happens? Another clue? Perhaps...or maybe a dead end...anyway

from Wikipedia on Confabulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
Confabulation is the confusion of imagination with memory, and/or the confusion of true memories with false memories.
and then a link to the drug Atrophine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropine
but more importantly Scopolamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine a few relevant passages:
Scopolamine is used criminally as a date rape drug
In Colombia a plant admixture containing scopolamine called Burundanga has been used shamanically for decades. In recent years its criminal use (as outlined above) has become an epidemic
(emphasis mine)

and the REAL KICKER IS
The use of scopolamine as a truth drug was investigated by various intelligence agencies, including the CIA, during the 1950s. see: Project MKULTRA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

Paranoid? Yep!
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