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Heh...I don't think it's related either, but I remember how much I dug into Jevohah's Witnesses a few months ago, finding all these possible links and interesting things and posting about it and getting all excited about it.hagbard celine wrote:now, i'm not suggesting bree has anything to do with Jehovah's Witnessess, but just thought that was interesting...
Ya never know!
wow....HazelButtercup wrote:I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!). Here's some info:
Epogen is usually taken for two reasons:
1. For patients with anemia (usually with cancer or with kidney failure, and other reasons for anemia.)
2. For athletes for doping purposes. Can be used before event to build up red blood cells for very aerobic activities or during event if the event is over days or weeks. Common for bicycling because the events are often done in stages over time so athletes' red blood cell counts normally goes down after each stage. Epogen will replenish red blood cell count and it really does help cyclists. It is illegal to do this, of course, and Amgen is working to stop this.
I asked him why someone would give it to a healthy 16 year-old girl, perhaps in preparation for a "ceremony." He said they could be preparing her for a very physical event to give her body the oxygen/red blood cell count to handle it. I asked if it is possible that it could be use to prepare someone for bloodletting so they could tolerate it and replenish their blood more easily and he said, "that would be very strange, but yes, Epogen could do that."
About side effects- within a couple of weeks, Epogen should give a patient more energy. It does not take away energy. A patient would only be tired or run down because of the anemia. A healthy patient would not be tired because they took it. There are really no known negative side effects unless someone overdoses- this could cause strokes because the blood turns to sludge.
Epogen is pretty expensive. It costs about $50-$100 per shot. Most patients get 1-3 shots per week and spend about $5,000-$10,000 per year. It does not come in any other form other than injections.
He is going to watch the video and if I get any more info, I will pass it on.
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You win. I asked my dad, a renal nephrologist, and he said the same thing.HazelButtercup wrote:I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!). Here's some info:
Epogen is usually taken for two reasons:
1. For patients with anemia (usually with cancer or with kidney failure, and other reasons for anemia.)
2. For athletes for doping purposes. Can be used before event to build up red blood cells for very aerobic activities or during event if the event is over days or weeks. Common for bicycling because the events are often done in stages over time so athletes' red blood cell counts normally goes down after each stage. Epogen will replenish red blood cell count and it really does help cyclists. It is illegal to do this, of course, and Amgen is working to stop this.
I asked him why someone would give it to a healthy 16 year-old girl, perhaps in preparation for a "ceremony." He said they could be preparing her for a very physical event to give her body the oxygen/red blood cell count to handle it. I asked if it is possible that it could be use to prepare someone for bloodletting so they could tolerate it and replenish their blood more easily and he said, "that would be very strange, but yes, Epogen could do that."
About side effects- within a couple of weeks, Epogen should give a patient more energy. It does not take away energy. A patient would only be tired or run down because of the anemia. A healthy patient would not be tired because they took it. There are really no known negative side effects unless someone overdoses- this could cause strokes because the blood turns to sludge.
Epogen is pretty expensive. It costs about $50-$100 per shot. Most patients get 1-3 shots per week and spend about $5,000-$10,000 per year. It does not come in any other form other than injections.
He is going to watch the video and if I get any more info, I will pass it on.
How big were the vials?[/quote]yes, the NDC number for epogen it is NDC 55513 plus additional digits
depending on units per ml vial size
My mom is a phlebotomist (When I was younger she also worked as a dialysis tech, which is why I'm also pretty positive the Bree on dialysis theory couldn't work)....people always assume that the person who takes blood in the hospital is a nurse...many people have never even heard the word phlebotomist......Slainte wrote:I suffer from hemochromotosis - a high level of iron in the blood - treatment is pretty much limited to phlebotomy (draining the blood) until things even out.
True...under most circumstaces they use veins (inner arm, hands) or sometimes finger sticks or toes/heels for babies...but yeah they can draw from arteries too. Even still there are no veins that would be used to draw blood where Bree's bandages are either....so I'm thinking she had to have gotten injections.....so you're right.Slainte wrote: Side effect? Anemia
I would suspect that they have been taking too much blood from Bree becasue of the gauze on her shoulder, except that they always draw blood form an artery (arm/ankle).
I think it was my post you were talking about here....something is definately up with them having literally cases of a drug like that....Slainte wrote:Or maybe theya re indeed preparing her for someahting like bloodletting or vigorous activity.
The really scary thing was mentioned in a post above:
Why do they need so much of this stuff?
hmmmmmmm.......
Probablyh nothing, but at least I get to share my hypchondria!
I like all your points. It'll be interesting to see how the meeting with dad develops, because I tend to agree. I've been suspicious of Bree's father ever since Bree said he knew nothing about web cams. It just didn't make sense coming from somone in the medical field. Between, Daniel commenting that the parents always changed their minds inexplicably and I dunno.. just a few well timed coincedences of Bree talking about her parents after she's done something questionable... like the Grillz video...or after she's expressed her frustration or...bleh. It just seems possible that not only was Dad aware of what he was giving Bree, but also that he's been watching.Ruberic wrote:I still believe that Bree's father knew EXACTLY what she was taking.
Take it from me, when you work in the medical field...you keep track of any drug you take. It is in your nature. You don't just off the cuff give your child something without fully knowing its effect. (Sad, I know).
This brings me back to another idea. If her father did know, and continued to inject it...what does that say about him? Where his loyalties truly lay?
Remember, when the parents asked the deacons to forgo the ceremony, they came back morose. I believe that her parents were all for the ceremony at first, but then got cold feet.
I am betting that a lot of this is found in Bree's still secret letter.
I am new so forgive me if I seem noobish...HazelButtercup wrote:I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!). Here's some info:
Epogen is usually taken for two reasons:
1. For patients with anemia (usually with cancer or with kidney failure, and other reasons for anemia.)
2. For athletes for doping purposes. Can be used before event to build up red blood cells for very aerobic activities or during event if the event is over days or weeks. Common for bicycling because the events are often done in stages over time so athletes' red blood cell counts normally goes down after each stage. Epogen will replenish red blood cell count and it really does help cyclists. It is illegal to do this, of course, and Amgen is working to stop this.
I asked him why someone would give it to a healthy 16 year-old girl, perhaps in preparation for a "ceremony." He said they could be preparing her for a very physical event to give her body the oxygen/red blood cell count to handle it. I asked if it is possible that it could be use to prepare someone for bloodletting so they could tolerate it and replenish their blood more easily and he said, "that would be very strange, but yes, Epogen could do that."
About side effects- within a couple of weeks, Epogen should give a patient more energy. It does not take away energy. A patient would only be tired or run down because of the anemia. A healthy patient would not be tired because they took it. There are really no known negative side effects unless someone overdoses- this could cause strokes because the blood turns to sludge.
Epogen is pretty expensive. It costs about $50-$100 per shot. Most patients get 1-3 shots per week and spend about $5,000-$10,000 per year. It does not come in any other form other than injections.
He is going to watch the video and if I get any more info, I will pass it on.
trainer101 wrote:Shhh... HazelButtercup is Illuminati - our intermediary with the biotech division. See you at the next meeting HB!Killthesmiley wrote:wow....HazelButtercup wrote:I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!).
your brother invented epogen???
miles will be impressed!
Who/what is illuminati? (I'd be at the next meeting if I understood what you were talking about!)girlAnachronism wrote: HB that's so awesome about your brother! I'll bet that's one thing the Creators weren't expecting!
