0120 - 'Time To Grow Up' [01/23/07]

kayokosaeki · Post by **kayokosaeki** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:38 am

Akiana wrote:The Walrus and the Carpenter

" "The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
Of cabbages—and kings—
And why the sea is boiling hot—
And whether pigs have wings."”

Tweedledee and Tweedledum recite this poem in Lewis Carroll's "Through the Looking Glass".

and do you remember in dogma how loki describes this poem as a poem against religion? with the walrus representing eastern religions and the carpenter representing christianity.....

yeah i'm sure that interpretation was made by someone other than a character in a kevin smith movie, but that's where i remember it from

perhaps she's using this to say that jonas and daniel are athiests, perhaps something she doesn't agree with anymore, i don't know.....

just trying to find its purpose

edited once to add

Jamidru · Post by **Jamidru** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:46 am

I think Jonas is Christian.

But I do think you are on to something.
It is an allusion of some sort.

lookinginonyou · Post by **lookinginonyou** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:01 pm

haven't read comments yet, but here's mine.

"The simplest things keep them amused for hours." Someone please explain the first videos to me then. It seems Bree is amused by simple things, which isn't a bad thing, but she's saying it like it is. I guess she's really grown up or something. But then she does her "workout"-- kinda simple

She's likes the rain. Interesting.

raindown · Post by **raindown** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:06 pm

I agree with you all.

Personally, I'd be quite pleased right now if The Order gets her.
so ungrateful and annoying.

aquanetnightmare · Post by **aquanetnightmare** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:10 pm

She seems to be attempting to be more independent. And these events probably make her feel like she needs to grow up all of a sudden.

And she doesnt seem so upset about her father anymore...but it wasn't really her father. Maybe something kinda like that clicked in her head. Though she did grow up with them thinking they were her real parents. It just makes me think she's attempting to push it out of her mind.

I still think it has to do with her trying to hide those feelings. And from watching her older stuff, it does seem like she takes some serious things lightly to maybe make herself feel better. Like in the video about what makes us sad, or when she was mad at her dad for putting her on house arrest. She made jokes out of the situations (juicing a lemon with an angry face and 'dad' written on it, or looking up why we get sad and making funny sad faces)

I dont know, I guess I just kinda feel like sticking up for her because she has a lot on her plate right now, and she might not necessarily know how to deal with it

Breester · Post by **Breester** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:17 pm

I think Bree will have to go to an orphanage, and the Order will find her there, and have her transfered to another orphanage, and it will be an Order orphanage, and they will cult her into the Order, and because Daniel loves Bree, he will find her, and she will be a devil woman, and he will call the demon out of her, and she will be sweet and pure again, and will love Daniel, and they will get married, and have kids, and live happily ever after.

lookinginonyou · Post by **lookinginonyou** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:24 pm

Akiana wrote:I think there is more to this video...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweedledum_and_Tweedledee

I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned this. On the wikipedia page there was a poem about the Tweedles.

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

Maybe the Creators know this poem, maybe not, but it seems like this could be describing their situation right now. I'm not sure what the first half is about, but maybe the Tweedles will see a big monstrous crow and forget their quarrel and maybe go against what needs going against. I kind of see this as a calm before the storm. I hope I'm not dissappointed, but yeah. Some thoughts.

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:27 pm

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

Almost seems to be foreshadowing an arguement or betrayal between daniel and jonas.

aquanetnightmare · Post by **aquanetnightmare** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:27 pm

There has got to be something behind the TweedleDee and TweedleDum reference...most references have been intentional like that, right?

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:28 pm

aquanetnightmare wrote:There has got to be something behind the TweedleDee and TweedleDum reference...most references have been intentional like that, right?

mostly yes

sometimes though no, or we jsut haven't disovered what they completely mean yet.

Jamidru · Post by **Jamidru** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:32 pm

Killthesmiley wrote:
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.
Almost seems to be foreshadowing an arguement or betrayal between daniel and jonas.

I kinda Hope so. keep it Interesting.

Akiana · Post by **Akiana** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:32 pm

Killthesmiley wrote:
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.
Almost seems to be foreshadowing an arguement or betrayal between daniel and jonas.

I saw that on the page too...I just decided to post the link...there is a lot of information on that page that you could make relevent.

nobackspacebutton · Post by **nobackspacebutton** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:37 pm

Palookaville is another movie reference. Funny how they are using movies in every video.

Plot Summary for
Palookaville (1995)
Jerry and his two pals, Russ and Syd, are just looking for some easy money to help them break out of their nowhere lives in their nowhere town. Despite a bungled jewelry store heist which exposes their incompetance as criminals, a fateful event (and an old black-and-white film) convinces them that they can pull off an armored-truck robbery. While they are busy plotting their caper, their dysfunctional families spin out of control, all around them.

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:38 pm

Palookaville

she mentions that??...what?
i don't remember hearing it

Daydreamz · Post by **Daydreamz** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:41 pm

I have not really gone though the previous pages in this thread. Forgive me if I repeat some information already said.

With the whole Bree wanting a "Career" she is not going to get a good "career" with out some sort of educational background in that chosesn profession. What are we going to see Bree going to community collage?

If Bree wants a job, and something to do. Gain experience, independance etc.. then she should get herself a job. It would give a whole new location for this whole series. Perhaps she could be a waitress, daycare assisitant, librarian helper, bank teller, receptionist .... it would be nice to see Bree taking care of herself for a change.

Though I cannot recall at any point where Bree has asked Daniel for help, he just seems to want to help her. Jonas offered his place after they had become "homeless" so they had accepted his helpfull offering, yet Bree never actually asked for any of this "help"