Why did Daniel lie half a year ago? (if he did)

Sami · Post by **Sami** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:49 pm

Daniel could be forced into saying the things he says in "Miss Me?"
But if he don't. He lied half a year ago.

He sayis (Miss Me)
"I DO remeber that girl Cassie, she WAS in my class"

Why would he do that? What do he know about Cassie, he didn't want Bree to know?

cbizzle44 · Post by **cbizzle44** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:27 pm

i think- and this is one of those totally freaky random theories floating around- that cassie is a part of bree. so that would mean that daniel actually didn't remember cassie, but the order likes that bree has multiple qersonalites. so they're making daniel reinforce the existance of cassie.

OR....

he didn't remember cassie- but now he's met her again bc she's with the order too. since the order likes taking people who are close to bree... so now she's refreshed his memory

covedweller · Post by **covedweller** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:49 pm

I think Op made Daniel say it, and it just piles on how over the top this video is.

The kitchen sink approach.

nobackspacebutton · Post by **nobackspacebutton** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:18 pm

If he did lie then, that means he knows a lot more about whats going on than he ever told us. It could also mean that he was never on Bree's side.

Why he is trying to lure her in with Pizza...I have no idea.

Sami · Post by **Sami** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:22 pm

If Daniel lied, it really change som things

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:58 pm

I highly doubt that he lied. I'll just copy what I've said in the thread for "Miss Me?" to explain why:

I wrote:Obviously just another thing they made him say. I don't really see why that line should make us suspicious of him when he was obviously coerced or forced to say so many other off-the-wall things (such as "We have Daniel").

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...he still refers to the Order like Bree knows it better than him ("I remember I had all these concerns about the religion you were into"). For another, OpAphid is plainly speaking through Daniel a few times ("We have Daniel," "Don't you want all this to be worth something?" and "Listen to your friend Daniel").

Most obvious of all, though, OpAphid is trying to coerce Bree into willingly taking part in the ceremony by using Daniel as leverage. Since Bree was originally going to do it of her own free will and Daniel stopped her, it wouldn't make sense for him to have been working for them.

By the way, he also says he hopes the Order will let him join. If this was Daniel "coming clean" then he would still be saying he isn't a member.

I think it's completely certain that he isn't part of the Order and never was. We'd have an incoherent plot if Daniel was really with them, not to mention a huge debacle that the Order would have been directly responsible for placing themselves in for months now. Heck, there wouldn't have been a need for Gemma at all had Daniel been with the Order.

stardust711 · Post by **stardust711** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:46 pm

he looks way too calm to be forced by Op into saying these things. i really hope he doesn't turn out to be "evil" but...

and why is he talking about himself in the third person?

also, he doesn't mention jonas at all during the spiel...so maybe he's not as important to the order as some people thought...

captainbianco · Post by **captainbianco** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:02 pm

He's calm because he's obviously sedated in some way. He's using diction that is uncharacteristic, suggesting that Op used modern day slang because he/she actually doesn't know anything about daniel, or that daniel was so drugged he was saying all kinds of nonsense. his eyes are mostly closed, he doesn't have a lot of the same facial expressions that he normally does, lighting, editting, lack of clarity all support the argument for a fake video.

BUT who the hell knows, i've been wrong before with this series.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:46 am

OpAphid has very a dry sense of humor. A lot of this seemed to be poking fun at Bree and LG15. I think the Cassie line is just another part. Like "I got mad love for PMonkey and Owen"...

kellylen · Post by **kellylen** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:09 am

Daniel may be bringing up Cassie to in a way drive Bree nuts.

Well that is if Cassie = Bree.

That way he could bring cassie out and try to get her to do the ceremony

nobackspacebutton · Post by **nobackspacebutton** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:59 am

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:OpAphid has very a dry sense of humor. A lot of this seemed to be poking fun at Bree and LG15. I think the Cassie line is just another part. Like "I got mad love for PMonkey and Owen"...

I agree with that. Perhaps everything Daniel was saying was really coming out of Op's mouth..poking fun at Bree.

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:12 am

nobackspacebutton wrote:
JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:OpAphid has very a dry sense of humor. A lot of this seemed to be poking fun at Bree and LG15. I think the Cassie line is just another part. Like "I got mad love for PMonkey and Owen"...
I agree with that. Perhaps everything Daniel was saying was really coming out of Op's mouth..poking fun at Bree.

if definitely has to be faked.

for one thing he looks like he is tripping out hardcare!

second!y the is very uncharacteristic of danny boy.

thirdly...OpAphid that's about her new puppet on her YT profile.

Sami · Post by **Sami** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:17 am

second!y the is very uncharacteristic of danny boy.

Exsactly.

I see it's Daniel but all I can think is "That's not Daniel!"

nobackspacebutton · Post by **nobackspacebutton** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:19 am

Killthesmiley wrote:
nobackspacebutton wrote:
JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:OpAphid has very a dry sense of humor. A lot of this seemed to be poking fun at Bree and LG15. I think the Cassie line is just another part. Like "I got mad love for PMonkey and Owen"...
I agree with that. Perhaps everything Daniel was saying was really coming out of Op's mouth..poking fun at Bree.
if definitely has to be faked.

for one thing he looks like he is tripping out hardcare!

second!y the is very uncharacteristic of danny boy.

thirdly...OpAphid that's about her new puppet on her YT profile.

Yeah, it definately sounds like Daniel is litterately her puppet. That would explain even why Daniel said "We have Daniel" and "Listen to your friend Daniel".

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:27 am

yup. exsactly.

i'm going to use thisd opportunity to say this:

if you are going to talk sbout oppy, to get the full story on the developments please go down and read the opaphid forums. You will then be able to make a fully informed post.