[VIDEO] 2-10-07 The Human Ransom

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

Also, a flashbomb temporarily blinds and dazzles you, so that allowed Bree time to flee.

Except that she was in that elevator too, so she would have been blind and "dazzled" too.

Yes, but if someone is prepared for the flashbomb, they can regain sight and snap out of it within moments.

[ladron121]

Also, a flashbomb temporarily blinds and dazzles you, so that allowed Bree time to flee.

Except that she was in that elevator too, so she would have been blind and "dazzled" too.

Yes, but if someone is prepared for the flashbomb, they can regain sight and snap out of it within moments.

Prepared how tho? Bree didn't have any earplugs that I could see, nor did she have the matrix-shades like Lucy and the others did. And even if you are prepared, 1 million candlepower light and 180+db of sound in a room thats 6x6x9 its not something you can just snap out of.

[Magesa]

The others may have went after Tach, because she seems to be more of a threat to the Order than Bree and her friends.

Also, isn't it possible that Jonas had the camera on zoom? Maybe Lucy was further down that she appeared?

Lastly, wouldn't Lucy and her crew notice another girl there? Tachyon must have been hiding somewhere. Hmm..

Oh, and either Jonas (the character) is a great actor, or Bree didn't tell him about this plan. Maybe that could also explain his being far behind and totally confused.

Good points!

The part about Jonas would explain A LOT. Not only does it explain why he is so far behind, but he also certainly acts like he's surprised, AND it might explain his skepticism that it really is Brother. Like, he's heard of Brother and watched the videos, but can't imagine that Brother is right there and ready to rescue them.

Didnt Daniel mention Tachyon in one of his videos? Something about advice? so then wouldnt Oppy know they have been in contact?

I don't know... what video might that be in? I can't remember anything like that, but I don't have the best memory for these things.

It was in the Homeless vid I just checked and he mentions getting messages from her.

Crooked Angel: You're right, he mentions Tachyon, which would confirm that Tachyon has been in control of this situation for a long time and has been watching over them, helping them in any way she can. But Daniel doesn't seem to know who she is, and OpAphid probably didn't expect for them to form this elaborate rescue plan! Still, good memory, you're absolutely right!

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

Also, a flashbomb temporarily blinds and dazzles you, so that allowed Bree time to flee.

Except that she was in that elevator too, so she would have been blind and "dazzled" too.

Yes, but if someone is prepared for the flashbomb, they can regain sight and snap out of it within moments.

Prepared how tho? Bree didn't have any earplugs that I could see, nor did she have the matrix-shades like Lucy and the others did. And even if you are prepared, 1 million candlepower light and 180+db of sound in a room thats 6x6x9 its not something you can just snap out of.

According to Wikipedia, a flashbang can affect someone from 5 seconds to a minute. Since Bree was expecting the flash grenade to go off, she probably could have snapped out of it pretty quickly. I am not saying it didn't affect her. In fact, I believe the "Daniel? Daniel! RUN!" during the blackness was probably her trying to run while she couldn't see or keep her balance.

Also, Lucy and the crew may have gotten scared and not known exactly what the bomb was at first. In the confusion, they may have actually thought it was an explosive device and were afraid someone was seriously hurt. Maybe that also stalled them a few minutes.

I'm just saying.

[Skunkwaffle]

This is going to be long, but it should explain just about everything.

It really doesn't look like there was enough time for the door of the elevator to be opened after the flashbang went off.

So what if the Flashbang really did knock everyone in the elevator out, including Bree?

Jonas could have run up the stairs, draging Daniel with him, to whatever floor the elevator ended up being on, and pushed the call button. Since the elevator was already there the door would have just opened revealing 5 unconsious(sp?) people. Then he would have dragged Bree out and tried to wake her up. The blackout, when Bree says "Daniel? Daniel? RUN!" is her waking up (it would have bee a few minutes since the flashbang went off at this point) and realizing what's going on. They take off and Lucy would have woken up a few seconds later and gone after them.

This leaves Tachyon plenty of time to escape and explains why the other 3 dudes in the elevator are no where to be found. Also, since he would have had to run up who knows how many flights of stairs, it could also explain why Jonas was falling behind. Bree was helping Daniel so it would stand to reason that he'd fall in between her and Jonas.

And finally, Jonas would have handed Bree the camera anyway because he could climb the ladder better without it in his hands.

[Magesa]

This is going to be long, but it should explain just about everything.

It really doesn't look like there was enough time for the door of the elevator to be opened after the flashbang went off.

So what if the Flashbang really did knock everyone in the elevator out, including Bree?

Jonas could have run up the stairs, draging Daniel with him, to whatever floor the elevator ended up being on, and pushed the call button. Since the elevator was already there the door would have just opened revealing 5 unconsious(sp?) people. Then he would have dragged Bree out and tried to wake her up. The blackout, when Bree says "Daniel? Daniel? RUN!" is her waking up (it would have bee a few minutes since the flashbang went off at this point) and realizing what's going on. They take off and Lucy would have woken up a few seconds later and gone after them.

This leaves Tachyon plenty of time to escape and explains why the other 3 dudes in the elevator are no where to be found. Also, since he would have had to run up who knows how many flights of stairs, it could also explain why Jonas was falling behind. Bree was helping Daniel so it would stand to reason that he'd fall in between her and Jonas.

And finally, Jonas would have handed Bree the camera anyway because he could climb the ladder better without it in his hands.

That does make a lot of sense... but I think that Jonas would still have the camera rolling, and there would be some footage of the waking Bree up part in the video.

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

I don't think there was that much to it. You may be right, but I doubt there would be so much going on off camera.

[Crooked Angel]

Oh, and either Jonas (the character) is a great actor, or Bree didn't tell him about this plan. Maybe that could also explain his being far behind and totally confused.

yeah I dont think bree let jonas in on the plan. In the begining he asks her " are you sure your ready for this" she says something like " he saved my life its the least i can do" then she tells him "take care of him ok" so i dont think he knew anything about it even though i thought she looked at him kinda weird when she said that last part.

[Skunkwaffle]

Yeah I mean it still leaves a bunch of questions, but at least everything is possible that way. Bree doesn't have to be able to withstand the flashbang, and Tach doesn't have to be invisible.

But I agree, there should have been some amount of footage from that stuff if it did happen. Oh! Unless Tachy was with them and she asked them not to post any video that she was in.

[ascend]

Also, a flashbomb temporarily blinds and dazzles you, so that allowed Bree time to flee.

Except that she was in that elevator too, so she would have been blind and "dazzled" too.

Yes, but if someone is prepared for the flashbomb, they can regain sight and snap out of it within moments.

Prepared how tho? Bree didn't have any earplugs that I could see, nor did she have the matrix-shades like Lucy and the others did. And even if you are prepared, 1 million candlepower light and 180+db of sound in a room thats 6x6x9 its not something you can just snap out of.

She could have been wearing earplugs - her hair could have been covering her ears? And she could have closed her eyes, I'm not saying that wouldn't have still blinded her, but she would have recovered faster than the people who had their eyes open and weren't expecting anything.

[onsweetavenue]

How do we know bree didn't have earplugs? those small earplus you stick into the ears are hard to see.

She definitely had her eyes closed.

Most of all she KNEW it was coming. For a few seconds they might be thinking the elevator completely exploded. she knew she could open the elevator door immediately and scram.

I'm not saying she wouldn't be handicapped but she'd have one up on everyone who was taken by surprise. As we can tell, lucy was not far behind. It's also possible that the kids are much faster runners than Lucy and the rest of the order.

I do like the theory of the call button, or something like that, but it seems like too many difficult details - for one, I don't know that every floor has an elevator call door button on the outside (many have emergency openings on the inside of course). But they are sneaky people.

I was trying to think whyt he camera was all black when bree said "daniel, daniel, run!".

I also want to know why bree said "wait - stop!"

[Magesa]

Questions, questions, questions!!!! When do we get the next video?

[Skunkwaffle]

for one, I don't know that every floor has an elevator call door button on the outside (many have emergency openings on the inside of course). But they are sneaky people.

I'm talking about the button outside the elevator that you push when you want to ride it.

I also want to know why bree said "wait - stop!"

She could have been yelling to Tachyon to abort their plan (no idea why), but it was already too late at that point.

[onsweetavenue]

Heres a closeup on her ear. There's a piece of hair that seems wrapped up in something in her hear but it is probably nothing. But that doesn't mean there's nothing - i couldn't find a clear shot that could prove anything one way or the other.

Wax earplugs and those tiny flesh colored foamy things are barely noticable.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e79/o ... caught.jpg

[onsweetavenue]

for one, I don't know that every floor has an elevator call door button on the outside (many have emergency openings on the inside of course). But they are sneaky people.

I'm talking about the button outside the elevator that you push when you want to ride it.

Ohhhh I see. I was thinking of an emergency call button. My apartment has one on the lobby level and for the frieght elevator in the basement. YOu need a key to access it. i totally missed your point, sorry. That's a great theory.

She could have been yelling to Tachyon to abort their plan (no idea why), but it was already too late at that point.

I was thinking that too, and likewise couldn't see a reason why she'd want to abort.