betrayed

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:54 pm

c'mon ladron no insults

lol

ladron121 · Post by **ladron121** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:04 pm

longlostposter wrote:Ladron, if you don't want to respond, I understand. Clearly, you have been outclassed.

josh, an eye for an eye

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:08 pm

i think u r mature enuf to not have responded to tht

ladron121 · Post by **ladron121** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:12 pm

Its Saturday, maybe my maturity has taken a vacation

But you are right, I shall no longer respond to LLP. Thanks josh!

Ali Zain · Post by **Ali Zain** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:21 pm

Daniel hasn't told Bree because he wants to be the one to tell Bree what the password is, so he can impress her, and her won't tell Jonas because he is angry with him.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:23 pm

ladron121 wrote:
longlostposter wrote:Ladron, if you don't want to respond, I understand. Clearly, you have been outclassed.
Outclassed? I don't think repeating what you have already said show's any class at all I think facts speak for themselves.

1) Its not smart to tell someone who's been brainwashed that they are?

Deprogrammers generally operate on the assumption that the persons they are paid to extract from religious organizations are victims of mind control (or "brainwashing"). Books written by deprogrammers and exit counselors assert that the most essential part of "freeing the mind" of the person is to convince him that he had been under "control".

In practice, the vast majority of the time spent during deprogramming sessions is the marshalling of evidence aimed at proving that the "cult" deceived and manipulated the recruit into joining. Once the person accepts this premise, the remainder of the process is relatively easy.
2) Daniel HIMSELF has admitted as much in his "Drinking Problems" video. Its not an accusation if the person involved has already admitted it;

3) Not all information comes from what is written down for you to read. Although I will admit that the Order does not hand out a handbook when you join telling you their entire history. We now know what type of information Tachyon feels Bree needs, and it gives us insight as to what Bree may already know. As for a "wealth of information", what are you talking about? He knows where the symbol comes from, and possible origins, nothing else;

3) I fail to see how me telling Daniel that he can get out equates to you being "too much for me". Wishful thinking on your part, I think. Daniel should get out if he feels he is in danger. We can help him with that. But I doubt that is what Daniel wants. He wants to protect Bree, keep her safe. The best way to do that is to end the conflict, do the ceremony. We can help them with that as well;

4) You must have missed something in my last post. Its up for debate whether or not he was kidnapped from the bar, or his status of intoxication when he made the video. However, once the opportunity came up to end the conflict in a peaceful manner, we took it. Daniel may not have agreed with our tactics when he sobered up, but the plan was in the works and had to continue. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be like that next time, if Daniel is willing to work with us. Quid pro quo stands, he helps us and we can help him;

Your arrogance is astounding, and is laughable at best. Please don't respond if you are going to just repeat yourself a third time, it wastes everyone's valuable time. We have both posted what we feel is best for Daniel, its his choice now.

Yes, facts do speak for themselves, and the fact is, the only one Daniel wants blindfolding and binding him is Bree.

1) This is a great quote, however Bree and Jonas are not psychologists. A psychologist is the professional in this case, and it can be detrimental for anyone else to attempt to address issues relating to the deprogramming of a victim. It's foolish to do this without professional help.

2) I don't recall Daniel admitting to drinking problems. The only thing he admitted to was his parent's drinking problems. However, I think you would like to plant an idea in Daniel's head that he is alcoholic.

3) Was there ever any question as to what information Bree needs? She needs information about you all, so she can find out how best to fight you. As for Bree doing the ceremony, NEVER!

4) Since when did binding and blindfolding constitute a "peaceful manner"? I'm curious as to how you think you can help Daniel; what does he need that you can possibly supply? Jonas has supplied his physical needs.

LMAO, I'm hoping I'm the first one to get a rise out of Ladron.

C'mon, now. This is a game; it's only a game. Don't take it so personally.

Yes, it is Daniel's choice now.

Death to the Order!!

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:27 pm

hey DB's online!!

hopefully we will get some more info

edit: well hes not now, but he was on i swear!

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:33 pm

Josh, here on the forum? I've never seen them come in here.

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:34 pm

yeh they sometimes do reply, he was the one who posted the tinyurl thing that we had to work out

i saw him online across the bottom

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:36 pm

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/profi ... ile&u=2164

thats his account

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:41 pm

Thanks, Josh. I thought he posted that request for help on You Tube, but obviously I was wrong.

I hope Ladron isn't so mad he's spitting now.

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:44 pm

dnt worry about him hes evil anyway

lol

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:48 pm

iamcool wrote:dnt worry about him hes evil anyway lol

Yeah, I know.

lol

Anyway, I meant intellectually outclassed, not outclassed period.

EternalGoddess · Post by **EternalGoddess** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:57 pm

Ali Zain wrote:Daniel hasn't told Bree because he wants to be the one to tell Bree what the password is, so he can impress her, and her won't tell Jonas because he is angry with him.

If Danial says HE figured out the password when he didn't then I'M going to ninja him.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:01 pm

iamcool wrote:he didnt tell them because he is pissed of at them

he wouldnt have made a video about it and was reading one of the books while bree was about if he was hiding it

Yeah, seriously. If that's hiding the truth then Daniel's not good at it. I doubt he uploaded the video without ever considering "Hm, I wonder if Bree will ever turn on the computer at any point in the future and possibly see this video that I have just shown to millions of people."

ladron121 wrote:Then why aren't they helping? Why no mention of Tachyon? Why wasn't Bree royally pissed that Daniel opened the package w/o her?

me thinks josh wears rose colored glasses.

Me thinks DBJ don't film every waking moment of their lives (just most of them), including the one where they might have already discussed it.

longlostposter wrote:Yes, facts do speak for themselves, and the fact is, the only one Daniel wants blindfolding and binding him is Bree.

That was great. A better rebuttal than anything else that could have been said (including your other points). Well done.