[Discussion] Semiotics Contents: Image/Symbols

[janesalteredstates]

Sorry if this has been brought up, I read through but my head hurts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta

"Theta (uppercase Θ, lowercase θ) is the eighth letter of the Greek alphabet, derived from the Phoenician letter Teth. In the system of Greek numerals it has a value of 9"

Oh and since the Phoenician was used in another symbol I'll bring up that "Teth is the ninth letter of many Semitic abjads, including Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew ט‎, Syriac ܛ and Arabic ṭāʼ ﻁ‎ (9th in abjadi order; 16th in modern order)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teth

OK I am really confused so I am posting this in both threads. Delete it if you want. I don't care.

[tristan]

alright this is a theory i've been crunching on as to how to read the three files:
Amalgation -> here tach shows us the theta and mu being put together to create the symbol for the watchers

Ligatures -> four symbols which are ligatures/amalgations of two geek [with one phoenician exception] letters

Semantics -> to me this is where tach breaks down how we should read the file Ligatures. using Amalgation as an example, tach explains what the meaning behind the symbol is [establishing that the Order rules and watches over all that exists in between]

perhaps we're supposed to do the same type of thing with the other three ligatures, and it would be my guess that the other two lines are just clues to help us do this

[janesalteredstates]

The spacing may work. 12 may be a mystic number for the order.

i know that the order isnt of any especific religion but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_%28numb ... n_religion

Or...
In technology

* The number of dialling keys in any standard digital telephone (1 through 9, 0, * and #)

[daydream183]

it looks like a toasted cheese sandwich to me -

I can see a face in that toasted cheese. It looks like Princess Leah!

[janesalteredstates]

More on 12

# In astrology, Pisces is the 12th sign of the Zodiac.
# In Greek mythology, the number of labours of Heracles (Hercules).

http://www.number12secret.com/
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/a ... tweve.html

"Why Twelve ?

By Koenraad Elst

The present paper deals with a question of symbolism: what is so special about the number 12? Historically, the preference for the number 12 goes back to the Zodiac. Thus, the twelvestar flag of the European Union was designed, in a public contest, by a devotee of the Virgin Mary, who thought of the Apocalypse passage where a celestial virgin appears in a circle of twelve stars; and these "twelve stars", in Hebrew mazzalot (whence mazzel!, "good luck", originally "lucky star", "beneficial stellar configuration"), were a standard expression referring to the Zodiac, the division of the Ecliptic in twelve equal parts, each one of them represented by a symbol: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces.

..."

and finally

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week125.html

^^This one is just really cool. Read it anyway.

[Antissa Pompeii]

So I know that 8x12 equals 96. Actually my sister found that out. But while I was searching around in Wikipedia, I found this article in the 'Theth' section. So, like my humps, check it out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teth

This section especially LEAPED OUT to me.

As well, in gematria, the number 15 is written with Teth and Vav, (9+6) to avoid the normal construction Yodh and He (10+5) which spells a name of God. Similarly, 16 is written with Teth and Zayin (9+7) instead of Yodh and Vav (10+6) to avoid spelling part of the Tetragrammaton.

[janesalteredstates]

I don't know where to post anything!
Anyway:

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_mythology

The Egyptians believed that in the beginning, the universe was filled with the dark waters of chaos. The first god, Re-Atum, appeared from the water as the land of Egypt appears every year out of the flood waters of the Nile. Re-Atum spat and out of the spittle came out the gods Shu (air) and Tefnut (moisture). The world was created when Shu and Tefnut gave birth to two children: Nut (sky) & Geb (the Earth). Humans were created when Shu and Tefnut went wandering in the dark wastes and got lost. Re-Atum sent his eye to find them. On reuniting, his tears of joy turned into people.

Geb and Nut copulated, and upon Shu's learning of his children's fornication, he separated the two, effectively becoming the air between the sky and ground. He also decreed that the pregnant Nut should not give birth any day of the year. Nut pleaded with Thoth, who on her behalf gambled with the moon-god Yah and won five more days to be added onto the then 360-day year. Nut had one child on each of these days: Osiris, Isis, Set, Nephthys, and Horus-the-Elder.

and

A short interval of monotheism (Atenism) occurred under the reign of Akhenaten, focused on the Egyptian sun deity Aten. Akhenaten outlawed the worship of any other god and built a new capital (Amarna) with temples for Aten. The religious change survived only until the death of Akhenaten, and the old religion was quickly restored during the reign of Tutankhamun, most likely Akhenaten's son by a minor wife. Interestingly, Tutankhamun and several other post-restoration Pharaohs were excluded from future king lists, as well as the heretics Akhenaten and Smenkhare.

Aten was the sun god and Akhenaten (formerly Amenhotep, but changed his name to Akhenaten which means basically means something like "spirit of aten".) , the pharaoh, is believed to be the first monotheist.

For whatever it's worth. We're discussing water and sun, right? Anyway, Akhenaten was a radical king in Egypt and the period of his reign is famous for its progressivity. Most weird about Akhenaten was that he depicted himself as feminine in his statues. Very un-Egyptian.

[tiltingwindward]

Just a suggestion. Would it be possible to put the images in this thread? Maybe the first post?
The other thread which appears to be only for numbers and the note begins with the images and the info about the images. It might be helpful to have that info here.

I have added everything from the Notes/Numbers summary post to the first post in this thread. I hope that was what you were looking for!

[tristan]

ok so i just went through wiki to get the origins of the symbols identified in Tach's Ligatures file in the way she did bringing them as close back to egyptian hieroglyphs as possible, heres what i got:

Top Left =
Tau: simply a mark [or possibly a symbol of life/resurrection but i think that maybe more catholocism where a t looks like a cross]
Omicron: hieroglyph for an "eye"

Bottom Left = [what Tach did for us in Amalgation and Semantics]
Mu: hieroglyph for water
Theta: hieroglyph for the sun

Bottom Right =
Pi: origin is a pictogram of a mouth
Theta: used as an abbreviation for "Thanatos," and considered a warning of death

Top Right = [the one that doesnt make much sense to me]
Epsilon: jubilation (or possibly thread/court) -> i know odd mix
Gimel: hieroglyph of a boomerang (or throwing stick)

i'm way too tired to think of possible ways these could be read like Tach did in the note for Mu and Theta or to even consider what the second line in the note [about the 8th and 12th stuff] could mean about the images but hopefully this helps somehow

[Michelle]

The symbol in the top right isn't Epsilon.. it's Sigma. Epsilon just looks like a regular E, not all slanty like that.

Trust me, I'm in a sorority.

[klgglk]

OK, so we have been taking it as fairly definite that the character in the upper right merged with sigma is a Phoenician gimel...

but: I've been looking at it, and gimel is asymmetrical, unlike this symbol. it's not so obvious in the gimel picture on the wikipedia page on the Greek alphabet, but even there, if you look closely, you can see a clear asymmetry in leg length. also, here are many google images of gimel: http://tinyurl.com/2w6zzs

it also seems funny that with all the others being Greek characters that there would be one Phoenician one... when there is a Greek character that has two legs of equal length forming an acute angle: lambda. yes, I know it's tilted if it's lambda... but why is tilting a dealbreaker?

[tigerlilylynn]

The symbol in the top right isn't Epsilon.. it's Sigma. Epsilon just looks like a regular E, not all slanty like that.

Trust me, I'm in a sorority.

And if you don't take her word for it take mine. Capital Sigma is summation. If you've ever had the misfortune of doing Analisis of Variance (ANOVA) by hand you'll understand.

[kalika]

The symbol in the top right isn't Epsilon.. it's Sigma. Epsilon just looks like a regular E, not all slanty like that.

Trust me, I'm in a sorority.

And if you don't take her word for it take mine. Capital Sigma is summation. If you've ever had the misfortune of doing Analisis of Variance (ANOVA) by hand you'll understand.

and if you don't take THEIR words for it, take mine. for sure, it's a sigma. i'm in no sorority, but i'm greek, and I'm workin on my masters in biostats, so i can also support that summation notation.

however, how DARE you refer me back to ANOVA models while i'm on spring break!!!!!!! One way or two way? sum of squares? what? i'd rather it just be some good old calc two!

[impulse]

perhaps we're supposed to do the same type of thing with the other three ligatures, and it would be my guess that the other two lines are just clues to help us do this

Yes, most definitely! There is a good theory around that they represent each a branch of the order. We need to find their function through this puzzle I guess.

[QtheC]

Here are some references that *might* help explain what the 8 and 12 are refering to in the decoded text. They may be groups of Egyptian gods.


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http://www.crystalinks.com/ogdoad.html

This is a reference to "the eight" Egyptian Gods called the Ogdoad, including "Naunet" as mentioned in the decoded text file.

These deities were Nun and Naunet (water), Amun and Amaunet (invisibility), Heh and Hauhet (infinity) and Kek and Kauket (darkness).

The Ogdoad were the original great gods of Iunu (On, Heliopolis) where they were thought to have helped with creation, then died and retired to the land of the dead where they continued to make the Nile flow and the sun rise every day.

The decoded text associates the symbol Mu with the Egyptian symbol for water, and thus to Naunet.

These four pairs of male (frog) + female (snake) headed dieties could correspond to the four pairs of letters forming the symbols in the LIGATURES image.


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http://www.crystalinks.com/ennead.html

This is a reference to the Ennead, which means a grouping of nine gods (usually), but the picture at the top shows a list of twelve Egyptian gods:

Human and semihuman forms of some of the chief Egyptian deities:
(left to right as shown in the image)

Horus, son of Osiris, a sky god closely connected with the king.
Set, enemy of Horus and Osiris, god of storms and disorder.
Thoth, a moon deity and god of writing, counting and wisdom.
Khnum, a ram god who shapes men and their kas on his potter's wheel.
Hathor, goddess of love birth and death.
Sobek, the crocodile god, Lord of the Faiyum.
Ra, the sun god in his many forms.
Amon, a creator god often linked with Ra.
Ptah, another creator god and the patron of craftsmen.
Anubis, god of mummification.
Osiris, god of agriculture and ruler of the dead.
Isis, wife of Osiris, mother of Horus and Mistress of Magic.

The Ennead (a word derived from Greek, meaning the nine) is a grouping of nine deities, most often used in the context of Egyptian mythology. As three of threes, the number was considered of great carnal power, and the groupings of nine Gods were considered very important.

There were multiple Enneads in ancient Egypt. Pyramid Texts mention the Great Ennead, the Lesser Ennead, the Dual Ennead, plural Enneads, and even the Seven Enneads.

Since the decoded text seems to associate Ra with Theta because the symbol for Ra, the sun, looks like a Theta... It might be useful to check out the symbols for each of the twelve gods in the image, and see if any of these are similar to the letters used to form the LIGATURES.


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http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptgodsindex.html

This is an index to Egyptian gods.