[Discussion] Semiotics Contents: Image/Symbols

trainer101 · Post by **trainer101** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:01 pm

Perhaps the symbols refer to perspective. The three legged "Watcher" symbol refers to someone who watches from afar - a third party perspective.

The two-legged symbol would pertain to someone who has direct contact with the target - in this case, Jonas with Bree.

KelQuelle · Post by **KelQuelle** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:20 pm

McPackage wrote:So the latest note from Tachyon seems to suggest that what we thought were an omicron and pi could be incorrect.

So if we're not seeing an omicron here, I'm guessing it's a phi.

And if we're not seeing a pi here, then similar to the mu on the other symbol, this may be a nu. After all, if looks like , then could look like

its not nu, i think. i'm pretty sure nu just looks like an N and lowercase its a v.

as far as phi, i thought it was at first but the general concensus went the other way. also, phi doesn't generally have that extra line at the top, right? gah. i think you are right, however. these may not be what we thought.

KelQuelle · Post by **KelQuelle** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:32 pm

McPackage wrote:So the latest note from Tachyon seems to suggest that what we thought were an omicron and pi could be incorrect.

So if we're not seeing an omicron here, I'm guessing it's a phi.

And if we're not seeing a pi here, then similar to the mu on the other symbol, this may be a nu. After all, if looks like , then could look like

here is what i think they could be
omicron: sideways theta Θ , phi Φ, qoph (if obsolete letters are in play as well)

pi: maybe two iotas? ιι

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:43 pm

The letter Heth could be a candidate.
Both the Hebrew and and Aramaic look good, but the Phoenician letter which "gave rise to the Greek Eta (Η)" doesn't fit.
Well, that's only Wikipedia. Maybe there is more elsewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth_%28letter%29

tristan · Post by **tristan** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:50 pm

alright i'm going to try to run through a list of possible replacement for omicron and pi [and try to give reasons why maybe not too]

this is all based on the concept that they are all greek letters
all can be seen on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet

The non-Omicron:
Phi ~ knock against this would be it does not have any real correlation back to egyptian hieroglyph [like the others do]. the greeks just made up a new consonant

Qoppa - in old egyptian means monkey [or possible meaning of head and neck] ~ knock against this would be its an obsolete letter, dont know if that has any bearing

Omega - hieroglyph of an eye ~ knock against this is it has the same meaning as omicron and doesnt really fit the circle mold

The non-Pi:
Nu - hieroglyph for the snake ~ knock is it doesnt fit the bill real well [but Mu isnt perfect either]

Lowercase Eta - hieroglyph for courtyard ~ knock is none of the others were in lowercase greek [and uppercase doesnt fit well]

tiltingwindward · Post by **tiltingwindward** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:54 pm

Quick update: I moved all of the posts (about a page and a half) speculating about the interpretation of Pi and Theta to "[DISCUSSION] A new theory about symbols," because they fit better there than in this thread, which is about the images. Please feel free to continue your discussion over there. Thanks!

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewt ... 060#233060

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:58 pm

impulse wrote:
theresascraps wrote:Oh my gosh! I just had a thought. If these are star charts and constellations, perhaps they are a map. If we could find a time when all these constellations are visible in the night sky, we might have a date...Does that make sense???
Hell! If you're right, That drop's gonna be a bitch to recover! Hey Ladron, are you up to a space trip?

aw SWEET! boldly go where no hats have gone before!!!

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:59 pm

raindown wrote:I scrolled through all 18 pages but seen no one mention it,
and it's just a pretty wild guess, but when I looked at the pictures' background ALL I COULD SEE was a screenshot from Gemma's video, 'Bad Desicions', in which there was a dying rose on the left corner of the screen.
Well looked at it, and it's just the thing on the left that looks like a dying rose. as for the rest, I dunno.

I said that the phantom pics look like screen shots of past episodes.

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:05 pm

could the phantom numbers be in reference to episode numbers? episode 76 is supposedly where there was a watcher in the store when daniel shopped for breakfast for bree.

windsong · Post by **windsong** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:44 am

KelQuelle wrote:
McPackage wrote:So the latest note from Tachyon seems to suggest that what we thought were an omicron and pi could be incorrect.

So if we're not seeing an omicron here, I'm guessing it's a phi.

And if we're not seeing a pi here, then similar to the mu on the other symbol, this may be a nu. After all, if looks like , then could look like
its not nu, i think. i'm pretty sure nu just looks like an N and lowercase its a v.

as far as phi, i thought it was at first but the general concensus went the other way. also, phi doesn't generally have that extra line at the top, right? gah. i think you are right, however. these may not be what we thought.

I thought it was a combination Tau and phi. Just like theta and mu were combined before.

KelQuelle · Post by **KelQuelle** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:22 am

so i guess if its not Pi, that eliminates the "messengers" theory that i've heard several times right? hmm...

lostgurl · Post by **lostgurl** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:04 am

ok, so the 76th vid. is the one were db gets breakfast for bree. this is the first time that we see someone with the watcher symbol. the next vid is gemma, explaining the symbol. she said that she found an "ancient text" at the library with a pic of a body with symbols all over it and that the watcher symbol was the one on the hand.
Could there be some of these other symbols on that "ancient pic" that we could use and ID?

OpIvy · Post by **OpIvy** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:08 am

Not sure if this will help at all but..
CIRCLE with a DOT (BINDU) in the center: In the complex symbolic system of Hinduism and Buddhism, the bindu (dot) represents the male force. Together, the circle and the bindu symbolize the merging of male and female forces.

sweetie55 · Post by **sweetie55** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:24 am

OpIvy wrote:Not sure if this will help at all but..
CIRCLE with a DOT (BINDU) in the center: In the complex symbolic system of Hinduism and Buddhism, the bindu (dot) represents the male force. Together, the circle and the bindu symbolize the merging of male and female forces.

That's quite interesting how it ties in with the series. Maybe we should look more into this since a lot of times people wonder about the male/female hierarchy of the Order.

raindown · Post by **raindown** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:17 am

trainer101 wrote:Perhaps the symbols refer to perspective. The three legged "Watcher" symbol refers to someone who watches from afar - a third party perspective.

The two-legged symbol would pertain to someone who has direct contact with the target - in this case, Jonas with Bree.

I like that alot.

Possibly, a watcher symbol with one leg would be Daniel, or maybe even Bree - the object itself?