0140-How Dumb Am I? [2-26-07]

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:42 pm

It's not that much of a stretch for me to believe that no matter where they've been...the order has known exactly where they are. They don't bust in becaue Bree has to choose to go withthem.

Ziola · Post by **Ziola** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:14 pm

Kasdeja wrote:It's not that much of a stretch for me to believe that no matter where they've been...the order has known exactly where they are. They don't bust in becaue Bree has to choose to go withthem.

I love when people finally accept that we really are everywhere...

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:19 pm

Oh, I've always known it. Like cockroaches you are.

GawainsChallenge · Post by **GawainsChallenge** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:22 pm

Southern Peru is free of cockroaches. There are plenty of scopions and enormous spiders, but no cockroaches.

Ziola · Post by **Ziola** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:25 pm

Well, once the nuclear war happens, we'll be there too...

We're the only thing that will survive, after all

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:26 pm

GawainsChallenge wrote:Southern Peru is free of cockroaches. There are plenty of scopions and enormous spiders, but no cockroaches.

enormous spiders....crosses Peru off her "places I'd like to see" list...

Luv2Skydive · Post by **Luv2Skydive** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:51 pm

aideen wrote:HOLY SHITE

I bet what's going to happen is Jonas is innocent and Bree goes on a crazy rampage and has tied him to a chair and is threatening him.

The injections have made her go CRRRRAZY

It would be pretty funny if he was innocent though

And where is Daniel in all of this?!

What if Daniel planted evidence against Jonas? Remember his kidnapped video? He was brainwashed and they've kind of just ignored that instead of questioning what was done to him and the lasting consequences of what was done.

GawainsChallenge · Post by **GawainsChallenge** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:51 pm

But seriously, if Op knew where Jonas' house was all along, why go searching for Daniel's fake ID? Even if they had an unknown motivation for wanting the ID, if they knew Jonas lived in Ukiah, they would just have gone to Yokayo Bowl and not worried about the other lanes, most of which were far to the south of Ukiah. Maybe they would have searched the Lakeport alley as well, but the others really weren't even candidates once you know where Jonas lives.

R1kk1 · Post by **R1kk1** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:53 pm

I think the original thing for the ID was to bring Daniel back to Pins and Pints so they could kidnap him.

kayokosaeki · Post by **kayokosaeki** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:44 pm

jonas being a baddie just makes him THAT much more sexier

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:45 pm

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:00 pm

GawainsChallenge wrote:But seriously, if Op knew where Jonas' house was all along, why go searching for Daniel's fake ID? Even if they had an unknown motivation for wanting the ID, if they knew Jonas lived in Ukiah, they would just have gone to Yokayo Bowl and not worried about the other lanes, most of which were far to the south of Ukiah. Maybe they would have searched the Lakeport alley as well, but the others really weren't even candidates once you know where Jonas lives.

If Jonas was working for the Order, why not just set up a plan to distract Bree and take Daniel right out of the mansion? No witnesses that way.

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:39 pm

longlostposter wrote:If they knew where Jonas' house was, there wouldn't be any need for the whole kidnapping Daniel thing. . . . Unless it comes back to the choice/freewill thing, which is still a huge stretch.

EDIT again: In fact, this is kind of a plot hole. If they knew where Bree was, because of Jonas being one of them, then why kidnap Daniel? If Jonas isn't with the Order, then Bree's, "I have Jonas" wouldn't mean a thing to the Order.

I don't think this is a plot hole at all. I genuinely think that the "free will" aspect is an integral part of the Order's way of doing things (although, as others have pointed out, their idea of what kind of "will" is "free" seems to be rather twisted).

IAE, I think it makes perfect sense for them to have kidnapped Daniel to try to get Bree to agree to do the ceremony, even if they (meaning the Order) knew where Bree was all along. After all, if they knew where to send the Watcher, they could have barged into Jonas's house and carried her off as well -- if forcing her to participate was a viable option for them.

sagerbee · Post by **sagerbee** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:09 pm

I read through half the pages, and I'm just not patient enough for the other nine. So I'm going to go ahead and post this--sorry if it's been said. Tach told us that the Theta+Mu symbol meant the order controlled everything from sun to earth, and pi (letter) roughly means circumference or perimeter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_%28letter%29), and the number is roughly eternal. This could mean that this branch of the Order/this organization controls everything from the sun to the edge/eternity.

Just my thoughts.

(EDIT: Wrong definition of Theta)

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:16 pm

Yes, it has been said. But thanks.