0143-What The Hell?!??!-[03/01/2007]

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:32 pm

Chelseyrl wrote:I am hoping this ends up being some plot that Jonas and Bree have set up to test Daniel in some way.

and the plot thickens...

I hope the same thing. I never would have thought of it, though.

Chelseyrl · Post by **Chelseyrl** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:34 pm

longlostposter wrote:
Chelseyrl wrote:I am hoping this ends up being some plot that Jonas and Bree have set up to test Daniel in some way.

and the plot thickens...
I hope the same thing. I never would have thought of it, though.

well it wasn't my idea... i saw it under comments for this video and it kinda popped in my head.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:36 pm

Chelseyrl wrote:

maybe i'm getting too anxious for answers but this scene kinda stood out to me.

why are there chairs up against this door? (as DB runs down the stairs)

I agree. It looks like a basement. Which is weird, because the room where Jonas was kept didn't look like a basement room at all.

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:36 pm

longlostposter wrote:Lurker, it's not clear to me whether the stuff on the left in the "camera" shot is treetops or brush. Also, if that is a camera, it is being looked down at from the top? Right? Most surveillance cameras are at least 10 feet up (I would say), or else they aren't any good, right?

It looks like snow collected on a bird's nest to me.

I know that if I were Jonas, and Daniel wasn't the one who untied me, then I would wake him up with an elbow-drop once I got free.

I'd be too concerned about retribution from either Tachyon or OpAphid to harm Bree. Daniel would be fair game, though.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:39 pm

longlostposter wrote:Lurker, it's not clear to me whether the stuff on the left in the "camera" shot is treetops or brush.

The way the branches spread out indicates to me that it's both a tree and being viewed from the ground, as does the presence of a horizon. For that matter, though, why would a random aerial shot be inserted in a series of ground clips (and how would Daniel have gotten a helicopter)?

longlostposter wrote:Most surveillance cameras are at least 10 feet up (I would say), or else they aren't any good, right?

Since we can't see the bottom of the tree on the left, it's fairly safe to say that whatever that is, it probably is a good 10 feet up.

newworldview · Post by **newworldview** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:50 pm

[quote="Chelseyrl"]I am hoping this ends up being some plot that Jonas and Bree have set up to test Daniel in some way.

and the plot thickens...[/quote]

oooooh, you beat my theory!!! This would be fantastic! Then, if Daniel did untie Jonas and failed the test, I would LOVE to see what they do with order-controlled-DB then.

Edited: to remove stupid name confusion

mistabroadway · Post by **mistabroadway** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:54 pm

I'm not sure if this has any significance to Jonas getting free or how it was accomplished, but the lamp next to where Jonas was being held is tilted. It stood out to me like a struggle took place, but that doesn't really make sense because it would've made too much noise.

Pi · Post by Pi » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:54 pm

RubyRed11 wrote:maybe jonas grabbed the keys to get something out of the car? and left the keys in there?

That's a thought, but from the "I'm Over It" video, I thought there was A spare key stuck to the seat of the car anyways.

sparrow · Post by **sparrow** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:00 pm

Assuming Jonas somehow escaped by his own power (Daniel lets him out to use the bathroom, he somehow is sneaky about making some space with his wrists so he's not tied tightly, then breaks out? A stretch, but I've seen weirder in stories), I think it would be awesome if he is innocent, and catches the first ride that comes along the road to get away from the "friends" who decided to tie him up and torture him.

And who should happen to pick up that poor, hot hitch hiker?

None other than good old Oppy.

Booyah!

ShardinsKitten · Post by **ShardinsKitten** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:01 pm

It would of been possible for him to get out of the zip ties, if he got them situated right on the connector and applied enough pressure, 3 days would be enough to work 'em over good. Or I was also thinking, it didn't stick out to me that the ties were behind like a spoke or whatever on the arm of the chair, it looked like they were just there, so maybe her worked them off, they were tight but not that tight, it would of taken time but he had that.. 3 almost 4 days.

Though getting out with out being seen is another thing all together. He got the car keys, DB seemed to think they were in the back pack, and the other camera. Though most this did seem to be on the same floor as Jonas, so I guess if both Bree and DB were upstairs it is possible. I hope the next video is from Jonas though.

ShardinsKitten · Post by **ShardinsKitten** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:03 pm

sparrow wrote:Assuming Jonas somehow escaped by his own power (Daniel lets him out to use the bathroom, he somehow is sneaky about making some space with his wrists so he's not tied tightly, then breaks out? A stretch, but I've seen weirder in stories), I think it would be awesome if he is innocent, and catches the first ride that comes along the road to get away from the "friends" who decided to tie him up and torture him.

And who should happen to pick up that poor, hot hitch hiker?

None other than good old Oppy.

Booyah!

oh this brings another thought. We don't know that he even still had zip ties on. Maybe they ran out. I mean they had to let him go to the bathroom or something, so every time the zip ties would have to be cut off. and so maybe he just had rope on his wrists, this would be easier to get out of... maybe a stretch but you never know

Chlowee · Post by **Chlowee** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:04 pm

zip ties come in a bag of bundles, what are the odds they ran out and didnt use a substitute like duct tape or something ?

kellylen · Post by **kellylen** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:05 pm

mistabroadway wrote:I'm not sure if this has any significance to Jonas getting free or how it was accomplished, but the lamp next to where Jonas was being held is tilted. It stood out to me like a struggle took place, but that doesn't really make sense because it would've made too much noise.

no, I completely thought that too...

I have a feeling that something bad happened to jonas and that we may get a "miss me? pt 2" video... this time with jonas...

and dawn said before that when dannyboy said to bree that jonas isnt in the order she looked like she agreed... and yeah i thought that too

nicole_x · Post by **nicole_x** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:05 pm

I don't know if someone has already said this,but on the tree, outside it says "POSTED" in red letters

TommyIsCancer · Post by **TommyIsCancer** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:07 pm

I have to do it...

*sings*

JONAS ON THE RUN! JONAS ON THE RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!

Anyway, I agree that the ropes look more frayed than cut. I know this makes Jonas look guilty but I still don't think he is. He could have taken his wallet and cellphone, right? So he takes the keys as well so they can't leave and the other camera so he can make a video to post. He calls a taxi and it picks him up on the road. He goes to a hotelroom so he can post a video for Daniel and Bree to explain the situation. It makes sense and it's what I'd do in his place. He wants to prove he's innocent but he can't do it tied up. He's afraid. And besides, if he was able to work the ropes over for a few days and get out of them only his wrists were zip tied. It wouldn't be hard for him to stand up and walk over to something sharp to cut the ties. Sure, he'd have a chair on him but he could move.

I don't think Daniel did it and I don't think he did it unknowingly because of some codeword Jonas said. That's just too messed up for my tastes.