0045 Daniel Crossed The Line [10/3/06]

[house]

I thought it was interesting that Bree says "I didn't even exist!" when talking about her public school, cafeteria days. Especially given the discussion about the Cassie-is-Bree's-other-self potential.

[house]

Daniel crossed "the line".
Bree's shirt is dotted.

Morse code anyone? I'm reaching, I know. But, for some reason, that stuck out to me.

[absolution]

Holy Moses, Bree looks better (less tired) but so seriously skinny. Her arms look like they're going to break off her shoulders. You can tell Jess's body type isn't meant to be that thin, her shoulders are too broad (not in a manly way, mind).
Hope Jess is losing the weight sensibly

And yeah, I agree that Bree believes that Daniel has showed her his true self- a "beast". I mean, he is getting a little creepy. I'm not buying the "I went to talk to Bree again" story, he's just waitin' outside her house to keep tabs on her.



In other news I really like her top.


{edited for le spelling.}

[TheFatLady]

Bree feels like maybe she doesn't know Daniel anymore.

he doesn't agree with what her religion is turning her into.

That's a really good point, that both characters are sort of "turning into" something else. Note to Daniel: point out this fact, and the fact that your change is simply in response to (and in alarm at) her change. kimmiewku, you've solved their problem. Are you a relationship counselor ?

In a sense, let's hope not, since your avatar is the none-too-well-balanced Sylvia Plath . . .

[Corey8806]

I found it a bit interesting that she said no body teased her in this video, when in the past video of Daniel talking about inviting Bree to a party, he said kids did tease her. Maybe I missed something?

[Nora Volkova]

The comments about her school experience, taken together, suggest that her parents allowed her to try school probably for an entire six-week grading period, possibly a little more.

Bree originally was in school at 14, just turning 15, making her a 9th or 10th grader and Daniel probably already a junior then. Remember this happened two years ago, when the family first moved to California.

The first week was horrible.
Then Daniel befriended her.
Then other kids began spreading rumors about her.
During this period she got to know another outcast named Cassie, same grade as Daniel but apparently not in Daniel's circle of friends. Cassie may similarly follow an unusual religion (scientology, possibly, or her parents could have been Mormon polygamists), or for some reason has done something to draw the same sort of scorn of the gossipmongers that Bree is facing.
Then Bree dropped out of school, but tried to stay friends with Cassie.
Then Cassie got too freaked out about Bree's religion and broke off the friendship.
Then Daniel became Bree's primary friend, and Bree probably didn't discuss her religion much with him.
Then as Bree became more comfortable with Daniel, eventually she thought he knew her and her parents well enough to not be freaked by her religion, but has been unpleasantly surprised to find Daniel reacting similarly to Cassie.

[kilgoretroutlovesyou]

Then as Bree became more comfortable with Daniel, eventually she thought he knew her and her parents well enough to not be freaked by her religion, but has been unpleasantly surprised to find Daniel reacting similarly to Cassie.

Fine, fine point.

She probably did want to keep a bit more boundaries after the whole Cassie debacle. Why won't Daniel get that he is just pushing Bree INTO this ceremony by persuing this line of wierdness?

Plus, who the hell does he think he is that he needs to save her?

Boys!

I mean, am I right?

[Broken Kid]

Right, I agree with Nora. Bree said for the first week, no one noticed her. After that, Daniel asked her to eat with him and her friends. At some point, she met and befriended Cassie. This leads me to believe Cassie was likely one of Daniel's friends ... in fact, it supports my theory that Cassie and Daniel were previously a couple.

As for Bree saying she should have believed when Daniel showed her who he was the first time, they have argued before. They argued about the religion and camp and over what Bree's dad told him. So maybe at that point he was trying to make a point about her religion, and they ended up making up. Maybe she's saying she should have seen how he is then.

I think this is really pushing the conflict even further between Daniel and her religion, setting up nicely for him coming in to save her from the religion!!

[To Aperon Zoe]

I find it extremely interesting that bree stated that she "didn't even exist." this could tie into any number of very interesting philisophical and quasi- religious ideas. The theorey of being vs non being goes back to the pre- socratic greek philisopher Parmenides who argued that nothing can not be. However according to Parmenides, bree would be making an impossible statement because he theorized that nothing can not be. Non-existence is an idea that has been toyed with for centuries, and as I'm a scholar of such dusty things I figured it was an interesting little tidbit of info onto how the whole debate existence vs. nonexistence, being vs. non being etc.

On a completely different note, by saying "I didn't even exist!" bree might have been giving us an important clue. maybe it was not bree that the kids ignored- maybe it was someone else. Perhaps bree had yet to be created, and the character of bree only came into being after she was removed from public school. the mind is a tricky thing. anywho, just a bit of conjecture.

**edited to add..**

Bree must be an Oprah fan... Oprah often uses that "When someone shows you who they are, believe them" quote. I think it was Maya Angelou who originally told Oprah it, and now she uses it all the time.

Anyways, irrelevant to the plot, but I thought it was amusing.

I think its probably very relevant to the plot, or at the very least Bree's character development that she uses this phrase. the actual quote is "When someone shows you who they are, believe them." and you were correct in saying that it comes from Maya Angelou, which makes it quite important. Maya Angelou is predominantly known for being a feminist writer. Lately we've been seeing an increasingly feminist element in Bree's character, and using a phrase from an empowering woman such as Maya Angelou indicates to me that at the very least shes beginning to look at the world from a much different perspective.

[kimmiewku]

Bree feels like maybe she doesn't know Daniel anymore.

he doesn't agree with what her religion is turning her into.

That's a really good point, that both characters are sort of "turning into" something else. Note to Daniel: point out this fact, and the fact that your change is simply in response to (and in alarm at) her change. kimmiewku, you've solved their problem. Are you a relationship counselor ?

In a sense, let's hope not, since your avatar is the none-too-well-balanced Sylvia Plath . . .

close...I'm a psych major. Plath is just a major literary guilty pleasure.

[Nora Volkova]

And of course, as previously noted, Mesh is very likely drawing on his parents' expertise with Bree's character development.

[tim123]

They have to have the big breakup before Daniel comes in and saves the day.
And they both live happily ever after.

[laurenesque]

I found it a bit interesting that she said no body teased her in this video, when in the past video of Daniel talking about inviting Bree to a party, he said kids did tease her. Maybe I missed something?

Maybe the teasing began only after Bree started her friendship with Daniel?

[steamywndr]

Something is off in the " I didn't exist"..." people didn't make fun of me" thing...


when exactly did she supposedly bang a teacher, get told she was " from a star" and get made fun of? Obv, she " existed" then in the public eye.


I don't know where I'm going with this...

[TheFatLady]

That first week of school, she didn't exist. After that, the other stuff developed. Nora's long post on the subject is pretty logically accurate.