[VIDEO] 3-5-07 On the Road Again

[bethy]

In the latest video, Daniel show sus a document that they found in the cabin.



Caps of the document Daniel was holding....I'll try to get better ones once I get home from work if somebody else isn't already on it.


Daniel said (assuming he's speaking to Jonas here):

Hey check this out. It's pretty detailed. Your dad was really on to something. It makes sense that they adopted that symbol...being critical of the Order and all. It's associated with textual criticism and identifying and removing errors from text.

Wiki Article on Textual Criticism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_criticism


Finally...something I can wrap my English degree around.

[SirWallyWally]

Ok, so... long time first time here...

These are what I got for the letters -

CC: K.E.H
D.L.L.
G.T.K.
D.M.A.
M.B.C.
T.C.M.
J.C.N.
F.S.H.
D.T.A.
N.T.K.
S.N.A.
M.H.E.
I.E.N
J.C.N.
A.S.N.
D.T.A.
C.R.H.
S.B.E.

[Lurker]

Finally...something I can wrap my English degree around.

Let's hope.

Ok, so... long time first time here...

These are what I got for the letters

I'm going to try to get some less blurry shots and see if you're right. I think that first one might be "K.P.H.," but I really can't tell yet. Anyway, good effort (let's hope they're all on the money), and welcome to the forum.


By the way, I'm going to repeat this question here since it's related to the new video:

Can we call it confirmed that "Pi" is in the two-legged "Watcher symbol" now that "On The Road Again" is out? Apparently the symbol has something to do with textual criticism, which is one of the older functions of "Pi."

Speficially, it has referred to an old 9th century codex for the Gospels.

[Lurker]

I think I've got all the initials positively identified:

K.P.H.
D.L.L.
G.T.K.
O.M.A.
M.B.C.
T.C.M.
J.C.N.
P.S.R.
D.T.A.
C.R.N.
S.B.C.

I used these screenshots, by the way, so feel free to critique:

Shot 1
Shot 2
Shot 3
Shot 4
Shot 5
Shot 6

EDIT: Thanks to McPackage for spotting that the "O" for "O.M.A." was probably an "O" and not a "D."

[McPackage]

I think I've got all the initials positively identified:

K.P.H.
D.L.L.
G.T.K.
D.M.A.
M.B.C.
T.C.M.
J.C.N.
P.S.R.
D.T.A.
C.R.N.
S.B.C.

I used these screenshots, by the way, so feel free to critique:

Shot 1
Shot 2
Shot 3
Shot 4

Thanks for this. I think what you have as "D.M.A" is actually "O.M.A.". Take a look at Shot 1 and compare that line to the "D" in "D.L.L." above it.

The last 3 or 4 are pretty much a guess. I have "S.M.C." for the last line, but everything else matched up to your guesses.

[bethy]

Well, I've been behind reading the updates about the symbols...so the ideas floating around my head I'm not going to let out there just yet. However...

The semiotics file contained a reference to 12.

This manuscript was written by one (R.J.W.) and then CC'd to eleven others:

K.P.H.
D.L.L.
G.T.K.
D.M.A.
M.B.C.
T.C.M.
J.C.N.
P.S.R.
D.T.A.
C.R.N.
S.B.C.

Now, they found one symbol in the cabin, right? Could it be that the symbol is associated is R.J.W.? Could each of these 12 people have a symbol associated with themselves?

Also, remember...these were people critical of the Order. Could they be the original group? A break off organization?


I've got a few ideas floating about...

[Lurker]

Thanks for this. I think what you have as "D.M.A" is actually "O.M.A.". Take a look at Shot 1 and compare that line to the "D" in "D.L.L." above it.

I think you're right. I took another screenshot and it does look more like an "O":

New shot

Thanks.

[mymindislost]

EDIT: Please disregard this. It was already said and I wasn't paying attention.

Well, I don't know if this helps anything at all, but....

That kind of looks like a "blind copy" list, like in an e-mail. The list of blind copy recipients begins with a "CC:" Compare the list of letters to the front page where it says "by R.J.W." It's conceivable that those are the initials of the person who wrote the document (apparently Jonas's father). The list of letters is also a three letter sequence separated by periods, making me think that the list of letters is a list of recipients of the document. Who they could possibly be is a complete mystery to me.

Like I said, I don't really know what that means, if anything at all, but it's just something that occurred to me.

[QtheC]

hmmm, when I hear "Order" and "textual blah blah blah" I think of a monastic order.


Just an aside: The initials on the report are R.J.W. and there was a painting on the wall of the room Jonas was tied up in (visible in "What The Hell?!??!" video) with the letters "A W" in gold on a dark reddish background (there might have been more letters to the right of the W, but that is the edge of the video).

I mention these other letters here, in case they are related to the initials on the report somehow (maybe Jonas' mother's name starts with an A?)

[vamprella]

Some of these initials are pretty obvious computer terms.

DLL as in a .dll file
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library

GTK as in The Gimp Toolkit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK2

DMA could mean the Digital Media Access card, or as in computer memory such as Direct Memory Access

Anyway, this might be a start.

[onsweetavenue]

I think the CC list is initials of other people who had that report.

Interesting that the symbol means that.

"Modern Empire" = ? I've heard people jokingly refer to the US as the Modern Empire, which means the report wouldn't cover the order outside of the US - where we know it has a large influence, right?

[heyiknowsyou]

Just an aside: The initials on the report are R.J.W. and there was a painting on the wall of the room Jonas was tied up in (visible in "What The Hell?!??!" video) with the letters "A W" in gold on a dark reddish background (there might have been more letters to the right of the W, but that is the edge of the video).

I mention these other letters here, in case they are related to the initials on the report somehow (maybe Jonas' mother's name starts with an A?)

Thats a great observation, but i don't think it really means anything (but you know how we all end up wrong in the end ) . However i will keep it in mind for the duration of these initials...


Also, about the initials relating to computer terms--i'm pretty nerdy but it would seem strange if the initials did end up being some wicked computer treasure hunt...

my theory: their code names, haha! "Agent Gimp Toolkit, reporting." Code names are always greek letters, mythology, or zodiacs. They're just moving in with the times!


(its deffo bedtime because i'm out of lurkdom twice tonight)

[QtheC]

Using this list of initials:

R.J.W.
K.P.H.
D.L.L.
G.T.K.
O.M.A.
M.B.C.
T.C.M.
J.C.N.
P.S.R.
D.T.A.
C.R.N.
S.B.C.

and the cipher page http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/index.php

I tried treating the initials as a code, but so far, no luck decoding it as a whole.

I tried using the title "The Order in the Modern Empire" and just "Modern Empire" as keys.

EDIT: corrected O.T.A. to be D.T.A.

[Luminous]

I took all the letters, removed the periods to create a sequence, and ran them through a reverse protein translator. Here's what I got:

This is the sequence I entered:

R J W K P H D L L G T K O M A M B C T C M J C N P S R D T A C R N S B C

The sequence output is 93 bp long

MGNTGGAARCCNCAYGAYMTNMTNGGNACNAARATGGCNATGTGYACNTGYATGTGYAAYCCNWSNMGNGAYACNGCNTGYMGNAAYWSNTGY

These letters all correspond to amino acids:

M methionine
G glycine
N asparagine
T threonine
G glycine
G glycine
A alanine
A alanine
R arginine
C cysteine
C cysteine
N asparagine
C cysteine
A alanine
Y tyrosine
G glycine
A alanine
Y tyrosine
M methionine
T threonine
N asparagine
M methionine
T threonine
N asparagine
G glycine
G glycine
N asparagine
A alanine
C cysteine
N asparagine
A alanine
A alanine
R arginine
A alanine
T threonine
G glycine
G glycine
C cysteine
N asparagine
A alanine
T threonine
G glycine
T threonine
G glycine
Y tyrosine
A alanine
C cysteine
N asparagine
T threonine
G glycine
Y tyrosine
A alanine
T threonine
G glycine
T threonine
G glycine
Y tyrosine
A alanine
A alanine
Y tyrosine
C cysteine
C cysteine
N asparagine
W tryptophan
S serine
N asparagine
M methionine
G glycine
N asparagine
G glycine
A alanine
Y tyrosine
A alanine
C cysteine
N asparagine
G glycine
C cysteine
N asparagine
T threonine
G glycine
Y tyrosine
M methionine
G glycine
N asparagine
A alanine
A alanine
Y tyrosine
W tryptophan
S serine
N asparagine
T threonine
G glycine
Y tyrosine

Maybe I have been spending too much time in Facility J.

[longlostposter]

"Modern Empire" = ? I've heard people jokingly refer to the US as the Modern Empire, which means the report wouldn't cover the order outside of the US - where we know it has a large influence, right?

Ok, I would have thought someone would have said this by now, but I don't see it anywhere, so I'll post it.

The US being referred to as a "modern Empire" has to do with the Roman Empire. Some people view what is going on in the US as an attempt to bring about a modern "Roman" empire.