0146 "On The Road Again" [03/05/07]

[jeezy]

Ok...

Hmm...

I have always been on the "Jonus is good" side, and I'm still sticking to my guns on that, but just to play Devil's advocate (no pun intended re prev posts )

- If he has an Aunty, why did she not become his legal guardian... why was he looked after by a nanny?

- The document they found is a little bit convenient, we have to admit... now, I'm all for coincidances and convenience when it's necessary to tell the story (eg most films and TV shows these days!), but... how do we know Jonus isn't leading them on a "hunt down and destroy the Order" mission, when what they are really doing is hunting the good guys... Bree & Daniels are just going on Jonas's word and Jonas's evidance.

I think we could do a bit of confirmation right now: why don't they contact Tachyon and Brother and tell them IMMEDIATELY what's gone down?

I guess, the other side to the above argument is maybe Jonas is already a secret agent for the good guys... and Tach already knows it.

I don't know, too many possibilities (ya creators, way to make us craaaaazy! )

But I still have a really good gut instinct about Jonas, in the way I soooo didn't about Gemma. (That and I think way too many hearts would be broken if Jonas was found to be a baddy!)

Like you, I'm on the "Good Jonas" side... but the evidence is totally against him... Like the covinience of the documents and the just the fact that he contacted Bree in the first place... I mean what a coincidence that he gives them a home and his parents have something to do with the order and also that his parents cabin has the evidence and also that is aunt is out of town... I don't know, It's driving me crazy!

[house]

Actually, that could be any one of a number of places heading north... And it could NOT be any one of a number of places... <shrug> It could be Southern OR Northern California OR Oregon OR Washington... There's just not enough there to identify...

(said with some good bit of authority as I can see Pacific-type water out my living room window)

Actually, there is enough to identify it. Later in the vid, we see them drive by some houses...those are along PCH. It's a popular stretch of PCH.

[Sappho]

Actually, that could be any one of a number of places heading north... And it could NOT be any one of a number of places... <shrug> It could be Southern OR Northern California OR Oregon OR Washington... There's just not enough there to identify...

(said with some good bit of authority as I can see Pacific-type water out my living room window)

Actually, there is enough to identify it. Later in the vid, we see them drive by some houses...those are along PCH. It's a popular stretch of PCH.

I agree it's PCH. It's definitely not the Bay Area, nope. Looks like SoCal to me. You locals recognize it better than I would. I have a great view of the GG Bridge and Pt. Isobel (where Lacy Peterson was found).

[AM]

I think something very pivotal that has been missed in these postings, is that Jonas is now calling the shots. He went from being tied up in a chair being interrogated to deciding when and where they would go. I see a very complex plan to manipulate evolving here. He gains trust, he becomes the decision-maker. It really seems to me that this is becoming a major mind f***ing of Daniel and Bree.

Completely agree! And, the next time Bree discovers something fishy about Jonas it is all set up for nobody, either in the Breeniverse or in the forums, to believe her. Mwa ha ha!

I am voting for this plot twist because I think it will be the most interesting story line of all.

[iamcool]

i would have refused to take bree if she done that to me

[AM]

i would have refused to take bree if she done that to me

See, I am thinking that a 'real' person, not an agent doing a job, would have kicked them both out. Maybe a super decent person would have given them some money and steered them towards civilization but that's about it.

The fact that he is still with the two of them says to me that he must be an agent doing a job. Now, I agree with lurker that he could be an agent for good or an agent for evil.

I personally would love, love love to see him turn out to be evil but that is just a personal preference. The evidence doesn't tell us one way or the other.

I think him being evil sets the story up for the most interesting plot twists and the best intrigue. Here is why;

1) Bree will discover shit about him and nobody will believe her.

2)She will second guess herself.

3) Him being evil will eventually vindicate her and, after all her crap, she badly needs vindicating. Who isn't completely sick of Bree but wants to like her? Every time she does something likable it gets taken away from us.

4) Jonas being bad will throw Bree and Daniel into eachother's arms.

5) Jonas being evil gives Bree and Daniel a chance to work together Tachyon style to get away. Again, a more interesting plot twist than them being rescued.

6)Do the creators really want her to just be 'that dumb girl'. I for one would hate that. Damsel in distress is so old. If the series ended with Bree not genuinely growing up and being right, saving the day, about something major, I for one will be quite disappointed.

7)If he's evil but then grows attached to them and then has a change of heart at the last minute, it would add complexity and depth to his character. At this point only Daniel has complexity and depth. Jonas and Bree have never seemed 'real' to me. Making Jonas conflicted is so much more interesting than leaving Jonas two dimensional and too nice.

To summarize; I agree with lurker, he could be an agent for good or evil. It would make no sense if he were just a nice guy but nothing else. He is hiding something. My personal preference is that he's evil. It would IMO send the plot in the most interesting direction.
The evidence does not tell us one way or the other (as far as I can see).

[voyboy]

mskelly - HSA- is funded by the TIKO Foundation - JonasTKO....

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking?

[delilahtyler]

i todally think what you think voyboy, said so about a million moons ago!
gotta be the tiko foundation.
maybe ms kelly is jonas's aunt...

[loobylou]

Ooooooh that would be so cool. I've never followed HSA but I know they have a lot going on there right now.

[mrsmoose]

damn those time zones, the vid was posted when I was in bed and then I had 8 pages to read!!

not sure what to make of the vid, it just seems to be transitioning the story along. I agree with some of the points made here already, but I'm now not sure what I think of jonas..

.1. why his aunt didn't become his legal guardian - i suppose if we are to believe that she really is away on business - maybe she often is away on business and thats why they felt it better his nanny took care of him

.2. I've always wanted to believe that Jonas was 'innocent', but I've had my doubts, now I am leaning more towards him being an informed good-person.
He could be working for the order and planted that manuscript...but if he is taking them somewhere to find more information..he would have to have called ahead to get the information planted at his aunts, and surely the twosome would have noticed him making that call?

Alternatively, (which I think is more likely) Jonas knows more about the order than he is letting on, he knew his parents were anti-order, maybe not all the specifics, but I think that might be part of his reasoning why he invited them to stay..because of his family history being anti-order.
I think that the reason that he hasn't kicked the two of them out and is taking them to find more info, is because as time has gone on he has second-guessed the "sailing accident"wasn't an accident and I know if that was me, I'd want to find out why my parents died. I guess he figures that three (or two if he's ignoring Bree) are better than one.

3. The manuscript: It took me a while to wrap my head around textual criticism...still not entirely sure I get it, but assuming from your comments its anti-order. I did wonder about the initials on the front. I get that it's been cc'd to x number of people...but at the same time, as someone else said here, is it not a bit odd that everyone had three initials? I know I have 4, and one of my housemates only has 2... But I still think they do represent peoples names..possibly not their real-life names, maybe code names, and that means the gang have to work out who these people are, and I put money on it that in some sphere we will have come across at least one of them, and more money on that Jonas will know where to find them.

4. The foundation? I would be suprised if it was Mum and Dad.. only because as Lurker pointed out, it would mean Tachy not knowing her own symbol, although I agree that it would make an excellent tie-up. I do think its possible that there is a faction similiar to Mum and Dad in operation. I have a feeling his aunt is involved in it....

Right thats all I've got! sorry for it being so long!!

[mrsmoose]

and now i'm confused by the TIKO foundation, too many coincidences, but mskelly doesn't fit in with the anti-order notion.....

[silvermoon]

I don't blame Jonas one bit for ignoring Bree. She didn't trust him enough to just talk to him, even after all he's done for her and Daniel. Just assumed that because his parents might possibly have some sort of Order connection that he was bad....hellloooooo. She's lucky he was willing to continue to help them. Where would they be without him?

As far as Jonas being in charge now, I actually think he's been in charge to some point for quite a while. I mean, when you're paying for everything it kind of makes you in charge to some extent.

And in defense of Jonas, why would he have taken Bree and Daniel to the cabin if he had known there was any Order stuff there at all? He could have just as easily taken them to a hotel, or had the Order do a sweep of the cabin to remove anything Orderish before they got there.

If Jonas had some deep undercover thing going on with this, don't you think he and the Order would be a little more careful?

[nobackspacebutton]

Ok...

Hmm...

I have always been on the "Jonus is good" side, and I'm still sticking to my guns on that, but just to play Devil's advocate (no pun intended re prev posts )

- If he has an Aunty, why did she not become his legal guardian... why was he looked after by a nanny?

- The document they found is a little bit convenient, we have to admit... now, I'm all for coincidances and convenience when it's necessary to tell the story (eg most films and TV shows these days!), but... how do we know Jonus isn't leading them on a "hunt down and destroy the Order" mission, when what they are really doing is hunting the good guys... Bree & Daniels are just going on Jonas's word and Jonas's evidance.

I think we could do a bit of confirmation right now: why don't they contact Tachyon and Brother and tell them IMMEDIATELY what's gone down?

I guess, the other side to the above argument is maybe Jonas is already a secret agent for the good guys... and Tach already knows it.

I don't know, too many possibilities (ya creators, way to make us craaaaazy! )

But I still have a really good gut instinct about Jonas, in the way I soooo didn't about Gemma. (That and I think way too many hearts would be broken if Jonas was found to be a baddy!)

Like you, I'm on the "Good Jonas" side... but the evidence is totally against him... Like the covinience of the documents and the just the fact that he contacted Bree in the first place... I mean what a coincidence that he gives them a home and his parents have something to do with the order and also that his parents cabin has the evidence and also that is aunt is out of town... I don't know, It's driving me crazy!

The evidence is definately hard against him...is it really too much of a coincidence that he is connected to the order? Or are we to think that its because the order is just ..everywhere? Was he really too convienent from the beginning and still is?

Questions, questions, questions..


Also, just to say--I laughed when I saw this video. =D

[sparkybennett]

i todally think what you think voyboy, said so about a million moons ago!
gotta be the tiko foundation.
maybe ms kelly is jonas's aunt...

I thought of Tiko right away.

We (hsa followers) had noticed that Tiko was formed the same year that Jonas was born. (if I remember correctly)

and although Ms Kelly may not seem "anti order" as someone mentioned, she was initially resistant to Tiko, she wanted their funding but did not follow their recommended curriculum.

She recently was held prisoner by Tiko because of her resistance and since returning has been undergoing a transformation of some sort.

I think it would be awesome if the foundation was Tiko! It definitely has alot of connections, hopefully not all coincidence!

[sparkybennett]

i would have refused to take bree if she done that to me

Oh Josh...why do I think that you would change your mind as soon as she looked at you with those sad eyes, pouted and said she was sorry?