0161 - "Subjects Apprehended" 3/26/07

[chevyfudd]

I do hope JOnas' parents come into the story at some point or another, they have a lot of explaining to do.

[bethy]

Where is that address behind daniel?

It's 4916 S. Paradise Rd. in Las Vegas. It's an AMPM (Arco) Mini Mart, right next to the airport and UNLV. I think ampm's are more of a western US thing.

[sthrnbelle]

heyiknowsyou, you're awesome. Thanks so much for doing that. It makes it so much clearer. So now I'm convinced DB was captured, and Jonas did not cloth himself. I can clearly see two arms in those screen caps.

not trying to be rude or anything, but how do those screencaps convince you that DB was captured? i just dont see it...

[ShardinsKitten]

the reflection in the car is clearly daniel right before he opens the door and starts to drive off.

Can you get a screenshot of this reflection, because I've looked for it over and over, and can't find it.


I don't find that Bree's look was one of recognition. After looking frame by frame, she seems terrified to me. I think the person may have had something on, or with them, that made her realize it was Order; maybe sunglasses and a black suit?

I agree with Juli. If there was any recognition on her face it was just OMG it's a watcher/someone from the order. At this point in the game they are getting pretty good at being able to pick them out.

OR It could of been someone she knew, I mean she was once part of them (in a way), so I'm sure she knows some if not a lot of the people. Even if at the time she didn't know exactly what they did or who they were for real. She could still recognize them upon seeing them.

[Chelseyrl]

I'm trying to do some screen caps and I can't get efficient ones in silly Quicktime (which i've been forced to use in watching vids)

[bethy]

AHHH!!! Bethy... thanks for scaring the shit out of me...

My pleasure!

The eye is creepy, isn't it?

[ShardinsKitten]

I do hope JOnas' parents come into the story at some point or another, they have a lot of explaining to do.

Me too. I said this in the thread when they left Alex's. They almost have to bring his parents in at some point. IMO or they will have a huge plot hole (and there are enough of them already lol). I at least want to find out what truly happened to them.

[chevyfudd]

ok, I am tired now and my son is in bed, so I am going to get some sleep. Goodnight and keep on digging for information.

[longlostposter]

Maybe Nikki B can go to the gas station and investigate.

Nikki B. can't see the vid, though, right?

[Chelseyrl]

Maybe Nikki B can go to the gas station and investigate.

Nikki B. can't see the vid, though, right?

I think she can bcuz she isn't technically canon.

[Magesa]

Frankly, I can't be bothered to read through 13 + pages of pure speculation, so I'll just quickly post my own thoughts as I watch this video for the 3rd or 4th time.

The lens through which the video is shot is obviously (At least to me) in the shape of an eye. This doesn't seem like a simple trick of the light as it appears throughout the many shots of Las Vegas before anyone is 'captured'

I clearly hear Bree say "Jonas" right as, what we suspect to be Daniel, being captured.

You never see Bree being captured. She turns around and is clearly surprised by someone standing there. One thought that crossed my mind (Other than the possibility of her being captured) is that she recognized the person standing behind her as she turned around. It almost struck me as one of those moments where you are startled and say "Oh, it's just you." She seems surprised to see them there, but not necessarily alarmed or in danger.

Jonas' apparent drugging does seem a little strange. I saw the excuse that he may have been trying to claw the cloth away from his face, but no matter how many times I re-watch it, it truly looks as if he is holding it to his own face.

No sign of bodies toward the end. The calm music and way in which the car drives away also gives the video an almost 'eerie' feeling. Almost as if someone under the control of something that have followed each step methodically and with precision. They are clearly not agitated over what has occurred and feel no need to flee the scene of the crime.

Just my 2 cents

What if it was Bree's mom? Her mom and someone else?

She said she wasn't going to talk to her mom for awhile in "My Dad Said...". Maybe she turned around and saw her mom, like Smelltheflowers said.

Sorry, I'm still four pages behind... but this really struck me. Shaneener, you beat me to saying that maybe it was Bree's mom. That's exactly what I thought after reading smelltheflower's post. She recognized her mom, and that was also somebody she might feel a little bit safe with (as opposed to, say, Lucy). We don't really know much about the mom, except that she was higher up in the Order than Bree's dad, and Bree seemed pretty disgusted with her, so the mom might do something like this. I know everyone seems to think the arm is masculine, but I still think it looks pretty feminine.

The "Daniel has a trigger theory" is a good theory, but it's only a theory. We need more information before we can confirm it as fact.

It seems to me that an Order person was following them all along, all through Vegas, and travelling through to them (the editing style was almost like Tachyon's, except for the different music and the fact that the shading looked more like an eye.) Then they watch all of the people (was Daniel buying alcohol?). The person then captures the three at the same time -- Bree's repeated call of "Jonas." This was probably when she realized they were in trouble. I think that she had already been chlorofomaed because of the quality of her voice was similar to the cough Jonas gave when he got chlorofoamed. Before Bree called, she gave a gasp of recognition -- why I think its the mom. Then she realized she was in serious trouble.

Or the mom could have called. Why would Bree call Jonas and not Daniel? Something for the Daniel-is-evil camp to think about.

[longlostposter]

So, then, I take it you are convinced that Daniel was abducted, right, hey?

Yeah. Or they could have yanked him aside and triggered him. but *shrugs* A lot of people seemed confused about what happened to who, so thats why i did the screenys.

That was nice of you...thanks.

[chevyfudd]

Nikki B is jsut suppose to be a fan like everyone else, so as just a fan she can see it, but she cannot say anything in character.

[ShardinsKitten]

I don't see this hoodie deal... can you screen cap it?

i would, but i'm not very technical and i dunno how to screen cap if someone would PM me on how to do it i'd be more than happy to though.

Trainer has a sticky in this section with a great program to use.

Or you can do the print screen and paste into paint. (however it doesn't work on newer laptops I dunno about desktops, I know it doesn't work on my laptop).

Or let me know the time you see it, and I'll see if I can catch it and get a screen cap of it, or someone else.

[heyiknowsyou]

Sthrnbelle, i think this is the relfection you mentioned:




My take: it is a watcher... sort of looks like a suit, like Juli suggested.
Red: crisp suit-like lines of shoulder
Yellow: a hanky in the pocket? (on second thought, never mind...why would the hanky be on the shoulder, )
Blue: hand reaching for door handle.



although, it's really too blury to make anything definitive.