0161 - "Subjects Apprehended" 3/26/07

[longlostposter]

Maybe Nikki B can go to the gas station and investigate.

Nikki B. can't see the vid, though, right?

I think she can bcuz she isn't technically canon.

But isn't the whole premise that we can't see them either?

[fan]

When I watched it , it looked like the capture sequence was repeated 3 times from 3 different cameras. the first shot followed was daniel as he snuck up on Jonas, then we hear a load moan as Bree calls out "Jonas" to warn him.

The second shot shows Bree called out "Jonas" right before she and Jonas were simultaneously captured, and the third shot follows Jonas and shows him get chloroformed By Daniel, right after Bree callled out "Jonas"

Maybe I got it wrong, and the first show was Daniel getting captured, and it was someone else who got Jonas, but i don't think so.

I think this must be it. You hear Bree say "Jonas" and then gasp right before she gets abducted. The exact same audio sequence repeats when Jonas gets abducted (including the gasp), indicating that they were both being captured at the same time. Bree must have been able to see Jonas getting captured and then turned around to see her own captor. I CAN'T really see clearly what was going on with Daniel, but I know he must have been right by Jonas when it happened because you can see Jonas' black shirt when Daniel goes around the wall (so they must have been there together). You can also hear Bree say "Jonas," which means that Jonas was about to get captured. Since Daniel came around by Jonas right when this was happening, I can see how he could be going after him. I think the moan that everyone is talking about could possibly be Bree's gasp in slow-mo.

As far as the person getting into the car... I still think it's female (maybe Daniel really hit it off with Alex, haha). Girls can still have arm hair.... plus in the reflection on the car door, you can see someone with fitted V-neck and a little belly showing... usually that's female clothing...

[ShatterdGlass]

all this talk of car reflections reminds me vaguely of a thread in the opaphid section that went on for pages and pages of people trying to interpret what was reflected in warpylol's window. I dont think anyone ever figured it out. Everyone started seeing all sorts of shapes, and once someone suggested something suddenly thta was all you saw.

All I'm saying is, car reflections are unreliable.

[Misty]

Ok after seeing heyiknowsyou's screenshots, it looks like Daniel actually was captued and not attacking Jonas. so I guess all three were captured at the same time..


....OK, I just had a crazy thought: it's possible that Bree, Jonas and Daniel staged there own capture with the help of Tachyon and Brother. Tachyon would know how to send a fake private video to the order and we did see a helicopter. I don't really think this is the case, but it makes for an interesting theory, and I wouldn't put it past the creators, to do something like that.

Yeah, but the creators have never done anything like this and I don't think they would lie to us like that.

Are you forgetting "Me for Daniel"?

[Chelseyrl]

Maybe Nikki B can go to the gas station and investigate.

Nikki B. can't see the vid, though, right?

I think she can bcuz she isn't technically canon.

But isn't the whole premise that we can't see them either?

f_ _king private vids.

[heyiknowsyou]

bethy, the ID sign is funny as hell.

Yay!! I'm glad someone caught it. In the video, it almost seemed purposeful that it panned past that. It was quick, but still very much on purpose.

I love that he looks sulky in that cap, too. "Aww, poor Beast can't get his booze cause theys checkin IDs..." (although, he did drink the other day, which suggest he has a new fake id...*shrug*)

ETA: or maybe he's still hungover?

[ShardinsKitten]

Maybe Nikki B can go to the gas station and investigate.

Nikki B. can't see the vid, though, right?

I think she can bcuz she isn't technically canon.

But isn't the whole premise that we can't see them either?

That was my understanding too Juli. Unless your "character" is in the order you wouldn't see the video either, and vice versa.

[Chelseyrl]

Ok after seeing heyiknowsyou's screenshots, it looks like Daniel actually was captued and not attacking Jonas. so I guess all three were captured at the same time..


....OK, I just had a crazy thought: it's possible that Bree, Jonas and Daniel staged there own capture with the help of Tachyon and Brother. Tachyon would know how to send a fake private video to the order and we did see a helicopter. I don't really think this is the case, but it makes for an interesting theory, and I wouldn't put it past the creators, to do something like that.

Yeah, but the creators have never done anything like this and I don't think they would lie to us like that.

Are you forgetting "Me for Daniel"?

I'm talking in the sense where the videos are posted by who the creators say they are posted by. Me for Daniel was posted by Bree.

[chevyfudd]

yes but Nikki B. Is in the same catagory as say you and I talking about the LG15 videos. No in character, just what it is.

[sthrnbelle]

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And I don't think that the creators would say the vid was posted as a private transmission from a member of the order if it wasnt from the member of the order. That wouldnt be a very good way to start off the private transmission credibility.[/quote]

but if daniel was brainwashed when he was captured and was triggered by the order then took the video to their headquarters where they could post it... okay, yeah i sound ridiculious. but i'm very stubborn and am still convinced that daniel was responsible for all of this.

though if someone really convinces me otherwise i'll believe them... i can see where that whole suit idea is coming from, but i guess in that one scene (where most people think it looks like someone is grabbing his neck -- i think it looks like him putting on a hoodie) is where i think it's daniel in the reflection... ugh i feel like i'm going crazy (it's been a looong time since i've been on the boards)...

oh well i'm off to bed. goodnight ya'll!

[chevyfudd]

I think the suit with the blue shirt under it looks like what Daniel was wearing in the party video. I know I said this before, but it was lost, lol.

[ShatterdGlass]

Again i would just like to say that since this is the first private video, I doubt that it would be from someone other than who it is said to be from. The order would have no reason to lie to itself, would it?

Ok after seeing heyiknowsyou's screenshots, it looks like Daniel actually was captued and not attacking Jonas. so I guess all three were captured at the same time..


....OK, I just had a crazy thought: it's possible that Bree, Jonas and Daniel staged there own capture with the help of Tachyon and Brother. Tachyon would know how to send a fake private video to the order and we did see a helicopter. I don't really think this is the case, but it makes for an interesting theory, and I wouldn't put it past the creators, to do something like that.

Yeah, but the creators have never done anything like this and I don't think they would lie to us like that.

Are you forgetting "Me for Daniel"?

I'm talking in the sense where the videos are posted by who the creators say they are posted by. Me for Daniel was posted by Bree.

[heyiknowsyou]

And I don't think that the creators would say the vid was posted as a private transmission from a member of the order if it wasnt from the member of the order. That wouldnt be a very good way to start off the private transmission credibility.

but if daniel was brainwashed when he was captured and was triggered by the order then took the video to their headquarters where they could post it... okay, yeah i sound ridiculious. but i'm very stubborn and am still convinced that daniel was responsible for all of this.

though if someone really convinces me otherwise i'll believe them... i can see where that whole suit idea is coming from, but i guess in that one scene (where most people think it looks like someone is grabbing his neck -- i think it looks like him putting on a hoodie) is where i think it's daniel in the reflection... ugh i feel like i'm going crazy (it's been a looong time since i've been on the boards)...

oh well i'm off to bed. goodnight ya'll!

My initial impression after first watching the vid was that Daniel did it, and then got in the car and drove away. I didn't see him attacked at first. Then people started arguing about how everyone was attacked, so i went through frame by frame and it became very clear he was attacked. Now, it doesn't show him going down like Jonas, so it could still be that Daniel was responsible for some of this and that he was indeed the one driving away. (its a very daniel hand, is it not?)

I guess we won't know anything fo reals until the next vid or so. *antsy!*

[fan]

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Also note that Daniel's left arm is going over something (Jonas' shoulder?), and Jonas has his right hand over someone else's hand (coming from his left side).

[ShatterdGlass]

I know you are hardset on this reflection thing shtrnbelle, but car reflections can be very tricky. The surface isnt flat so the image is distorted and when you may think you are looking at one thing, it could very easily be something else entirely.