0161 - "Subjects Apprehended" 3/26/07

looking4answers · Post by **looking4answers** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:49 am

I know that I just thought it was funny is all

ShardinsKitten · Post by **ShardinsKitten** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:50 am

looking4answers wrote:I know that I just thought it was funny is all

lol just making sure. Some people still think they are =/

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:51 am

Misty wrote:
Chelseyrl wrote:
Misty wrote:Ok after seeing heyiknowsyou's screenshots, it looks like Daniel actually was captued and not attacking Jonas. so I guess all three were captured at the same time..

....OK, I just had a crazy thought: it's possible that Bree, Jonas and Daniel staged there own capture with the help of Tachyon and Brother. Tachyon would know how to send a fake private video to the order and we did see a helicopter. I don't really think this is the case, but it makes for an interesting theory, and I wouldn't put it past the creators, to do something like that.
Yeah, but the creators have never done anything like this and I don't think they would lie to us like that.
Are you forgetting "Me for Daniel"?

Misty, they didn't lie about who the video was uploaded by, which is the point, I think.

heyiknowsyou · Post by **heyiknowsyou** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:51 am

Fan, if you're confused, a detailed frame-by-frame look of both Daniel's attack and Jonas's attack can be found in this thread.

Pg 18, Jonas's attack.

Pg 16, Daniel's attack.

breewithcrackers · Post by **breewithcrackers** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:53 am

chevyfudd wrote:Maybe he was just thinking, but it did kinda look like he was on the phone.

Who does everyone think the next post will be from? The order again, all of them doing spinart and eating ice cream, lol.

ugh, im sorry. where does it show jonas on the phone? im confused...

fan · Post by **fan** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:53 am

ShardinsKitten wrote:
heyiknowsyou wrote:
fan wrote:
kellylen wrote:...

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Also note that Daniel's left arm is going over something (Jonas' shoulder?), and Jonas has his right hand over someone else's hand (coming from his left side).

Que?

these two incidents are completely seperate. (please, correct me if i'm wrong.)
Pretty sure they are heyiknowsyou.

To the original poster: Umm where do you get that that is DB's arm going over Jonas's shoulder??

It was just a hypothesis- didn't get it from anywhere. But I was kind of going off of Misty's suggestion that it was three different camera views going on at the same time (kind of like when we had a million views going on of the elevators during that trading thing with Bree and Daniel). I guess the simple answer would be that they all got captured and it's just showing them struggling. But it is possible that Daniel helped out the Order. If you read my other argument that Daniel had to have been standing next to Jonas when Jonas got captured (see above) and agree, then it's plausible that Daniel was putting his hand over someone's shoulder... does seem to be the right angle... but eh, whatever. It's just my opinion! I thought it would be interesting to point out, and now I'll be waiting to find out what really happened.

Chelseyrl · Post by **Chelseyrl** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:55 am

It would be awesome if someone could lighten up this whole video and post it on like photobucket or something... cuz I wanna see the eye instances...

Luminous · Post by **Luminous** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:07 am

This thread is moving so fast, I have no idea whether any of these images have been posted yet. If they are redundant, I apologize. I also apoligize for them being large, but it's better for seeing the detail.

Here are a few screen caps I found interesting:

This one is found at 00:09:09: Have no idea what this is, but it is found in two frames.

Then at 00:13:09 something very similar is seen again:

Here, at 01:10:02 – a captured Bree. In the background is the arm of a man wearing a blue dress shirt with sleeves rolled up.

A few frames later, 01:10:23, a captured Bree stretching her arms out – possibly being restrained or searched?

And here, 01:25:15, another shot of the arm as Jonas car drives away. Definitely a man, in my opinion:

And finally, 01:27:27, out the front window of Jonas car, again, as it is driving away, look to the right, just above the dashboard – does anyone see what I see?

heyiknowsyou · Post by **heyiknowsyou** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:08 am

fan wrote:It was just a hypothesis- didn't get it from anywhere. But I was kind of going off of Misty's suggestion that it was three different camera views going on at the same time (kind of like when we had a million views going on of the elevators during that trading thing with Bree and Daniel). I guess the simple answer would be that they all got captured and it's just showing them struggling. But it is possible that Daniel helped out the Order. If you read my other argument that Daniel had to have been standing next to Jonas when Jonas got captured (see above) and agree, then it's plausible that Daniel was putting his hand over someone's shoulder... does seem to be the right angle... but eh, whatever. It's just my opinion! I thought it would be interesting to point out, and now I'll be waiting to find out what really happened.

Okay, i'm understanding you a bit better now!

Thanks for the clarification.

As for Daniel maybe helping out in the attacks, i believe that is possible. In fact, he COULD have been the one to take Jonas down. But the first screen cap is someone else attacking our dear DB and is totally separate.

I must check your argument about DB standing next to Jonas.

fan wrote:
Misty wrote:When I watched it , it looked like the capture sequence was repeated 3 times from 3 different cameras. the first shot followed was daniel as he snuck up on Jonas, then we hear a load moan as Bree calls out "Jonas" to warn him.

The second shot shows Bree called out "Jonas" right before she and Jonas were simultaneously captured, and the third shot follows Jonas and shows him get chloroformed By Daniel, right after Bree callled out "Jonas"

Maybe I got it wrong, and the first show was Daniel getting captured, and it was someone else who got Jonas, but i don't think so.
I think this must be it. You hear Bree say "Jonas" and then gasp right before she gets abducted. The exact same audio sequence repeats when Jonas gets abducted (including the gasp), indicating that they were both being captured at the same time. Bree must have been able to see Jonas getting captured and then turned around to see her own captor. I CAN'T really see clearly what was going on with Daniel, but I know he must have been right by Jonas when it happened because you can see Jonas' black shirt when Daniel goes around the wall (so they must have been there together). You can also hear Bree say "Jonas," which means that Jonas was about to get captured. Since Daniel came around by Jonas right when this was happening, I can see how he could be going after him. I think the moan that everyone is talking about could possibly be Bree's gasp in slow-mo.

As far as the person getting into the car... I still think it's female (maybe Daniel really hit it off with Alex, haha). Girls can still have arm hair.... plus in the reflection on the car door, you can see someone with fitted V-neck and a little belly showing... usually that's female clothing...

I'm not sure i saw Jonas anywhere in the screencaps of Daniel's attack. If you can cap one, or take one of my caps and point it out, that'd be great.

My opinion: I think Daniel is standing out back when he is attacked, and it looks like Jonas is in the front, sitting on a bench. Bree looks like she is on the side of the building.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:10 am

ShatterdGlass wrote:
fan wrote:
kellylen wrote:...

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Also note that Daniel's left arm is going over something (Jonas' shoulder?), and Jonas has his right hand over someone else's hand (coming from his left side).
Over someone else's hand, not over someone else's shoulder.

OK, this whole thing is ridiculous. Daniel was standing, and Jonas was sitting. Daniel would have to reach down, not up, to attach Jonas this way.

heyiknowsyou · Post by **heyiknowsyou** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:11 am

Wow, Luminous, those caps are mind blowing.

i have to watch again!

xentis · Post by **xentis** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:13 am

also what about the cd they put in? and why was that song chosen?

also it says to have I.D read for all ages...i don't think bree has a I.D , that that it has anything to do with the story

forgot the cd part thought they put on in

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:14 am

xentis wrote:I'm not sure if this was said cause i skipped from 12 to 22 but if you notice in like the first 5 secs when they first show the helicopter there is a purple light flying past the screen, i guess it could be one of those spot lights but i don't think it is

screen cap

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Something similar to this was in the "Truckstop" vid right before the helicopter too. I didn't say anything because people weren't really receptive to things like that when I was posting. These could be an indicator of whether it's Order or Brother.

ShardinsKitten · Post by **ShardinsKitten** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:16 am

WOW, Lum those are awesome, I didn't catch any of that stuff. I wish we could lighten them up somehow to see them better.

I'm not sure what you're seeing in the last one though... any hints? I see all the red on the left side though... blood?

krisl003 · Post by **krisl003** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:18 am

I am not going to read through all 23 pages of this...so if this is redundant then I'm sorry

When DB&J went to the car to go to the gas station and the camera went really fast by the cars, it reminded me of the WarPylol vid. Did anyone else notice this?