0162- "Psychological Torture" [3/29/07]

[scheidel21]

It's called brain washing, the disguised voice is likely so they can never or would have a harder time identifying the interogator. Plain and simple they are using psych torture to tear down their resolve and brainwash them. Furthermore Free will is the ability to make a choice, and if you've been brainwashed you still make that choice.

[Onewen]

Maybe the voice was so weird because it is "psychological" torture...you KNOW that's the boogey-man's voice!

[Ziola]

So here's my newest random question. Usually, Op would have posted a slightly bitchy video, touting her intelligence by now. Am I the only one who thinks that perhaps SHE doesn't know about this and that others in the Order have circumvented her in order to further the agenda?

[janesalteredstates]

Anyone notice this?



Here it is brighter:




Creepy huh?

Yes! That was the only thing about the video that interested me at all. I said "whaaaa?" when Bree got all demonic.
Otherwise, it seems like filler. We certainly didn't learn anything.

I agree that the acting was great


Oh and, Daniel was abducted after all.

[ericski]

So here's my newest random question. Usually, Op would have posted a slightly bitchy video, touting her intelligence by now. Am I the only one who thinks that perhaps SHE doesn't know about this and that others in the Order have circumvented her in order to further the agenda?

yeah, i'm thinking that too.
wouldn't that be something if they were set free, (not to say rescued) by oppy when she finds out?

[trombonegds]

This video was intense! Good acting from the trio. Jonas looked like he was going to cry. AWW. And Bree did look creepy! I wonder if DB will really go home? So many questions!!! I can't for more vids.

P.S. I like the music too!

[britty_43]

the inflections in the voice, the pauses on certain words, the accents on certain syllables, even they ways of asking questions...
all leadd me to think that my ex is the head of the order.
the similarities in the ways of speaking - it was just creepy.

[Ziola]

So here's my newest random question. Usually, Op would have posted a slightly bitchy video, touting her intelligence by now. Am I the only one who thinks that perhaps SHE doesn't know about this and that others in the Order have circumvented her in order to further the agenda?

yeah, i'm thinking that too.
wouldn't that be something if they were set free, (not to say rescued) by oppy when she finds out?

Phew...I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed her silence. And having her set Bree free would definitely be a shocker!

[joygasm]

--Are they really just gonna release them and send them home? Daniel that is. They never told Jonas he could leave. Hmm I wonder why that is. How come Daniel is allowed to go home but Jonas just gets emotionally abused?

Well, looking at the ties Jonas' parents had with the Order, that could be why they are keeping him there. We don't know if he hold any importance to them...

As to why they are talking about letting Daniel go home... Well, someone's gotta inform Tachyon that Bree's in trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!! We know this is not the end! We know she's not going to do the Ceremony! If we aren't allowed to warn Tachyon, one of them has to get out of there to let her know what is going on.

[sasa]

So here's my newest random question. Usually, Op would have posted a slightly bitchy video, touting her intelligence by now. Am I the only one who thinks that perhaps SHE doesn't know about this and that others in the Order have circumvented her in order to further the agenda?

There have been some 'issues' with Op's PM, so perhaps that's why?
I agree with you though, there definitely should be new Oppy videos :]

[kellylen]

Anyone notice this?



Here it is brighter:




Creepy huh?

Yes! That was the only thing about the video that interested me at all. I said "whaaaa?" when Bree got all demonic.
Otherwise, it seems like filler. We certainly didn't learn anything.

I agree that the acting was great


Oh and, Daniel was abducted after all.

ahhhhhhh i saw that i was like woahhhhhhhhh oppy bree

[luzdzus]

So here's my newest random question. Usually, Op would have posted a slightly bitchy video, touting her intelligence by now. Am I the only one who thinks that perhaps SHE doesn't know about this and that others in the Order have circumvented her in order to further the agenda?

It really does look like a different group now. Oppy seems to be associated with the Watchers, and this bunch seems to be more about action. Maybe this is the Tau-Phi outfit (that symbol makes me think of the KGB- the "sword and shield" of the old Commie party)

[Nieriel.Manwathiel]

I didn't watch the vid, I read the transcript.

And it got me thinking...

Some of us with good voices should try and see how WE can do better! Could be fun


Btw, people talked about Free Will and such, and I say this could be a form os psychological torture that falls under the jurisdiction of free will. (Sorry if I'm rehasing points; I want to type this before I forget.)

Cults
Cults tend to push members to or beyond their physical breaking points to brainwash them. Denying a person sleep is a legitimate form of torture. When cults have the person right where they want them, they're able to say later "we didn't do much; after being awake for just a little bit, they were BEGGING us to let them stay...". It's like getting them drugged or something; all you're doing is getting them into a state of compliance, though you don't have to say "I command thee, Bree to do the cerremony!"
... O.O... sorry for the rhyming, guys...
And after getting them into this state of compliance, all you have to do is make gentle suggestions; no forcing. I have sisters who sleeptalk and sometimes sleepwalk and I don't force them; I just tell them "Sweetie, shouldn't you be in bed?" and they think it over for a second and go back to bed.
The bathroom could have been before the staying awake torture, or to rush things, they could have drugged them for transport, then woken them up and not allowed them to sleep off the drug; a very quick way to get someone uber-drowsy, no?

I dunno if they did this in the vid (again, only read the transcript) but what if they took a woman's voice and slowed it down? I think those types of voice altercations can be uber-creepy (especially if they show it's a woman, like, back of the head or her hands).



edit--

What's annoying me about this video are mostly two things:

1. It's another case of "illogical video" - why the hell would anybody post this? If BD&J had posted this, it would include footage of Jonas punching Mr. Scary Voice in the face and them all escaping. If it was a report from an Order-Interrogator to his superiors, he'd either show the entire footage, or only relevant parts - meaning no footage of Daniel trying to wake up Jonas, and no footage of them just drunkenly almost falling asleep. And most definitely not such a "dramatic" ending. The video as a whole, in its concept, just doesn't make sense.

like the create-a-trons said, videos like this are to give us a bigger view of the story; sticking to the "only-see-what-people-decide-to-talk-about" gets VERY limited.

[*]And then there's the oh so scary voice. It's just passionless. Not authentic. An evil scary g-man who just drugged three people up and abducted them - and what do we hear? An indecisive, defensive, semi-evil voice.
Simple example: At around 60% of the video, Daniel asks "Who are you?".
As an evil cult-agent who's totally in control of the situation, and wants answers NOW, you'd firmly say "That is of no interest to you!".
...what does Daniel get? "That's...not...important." Oh. Scary. It almost sounds like The Voice doesn't even know how to react to that question. As if he hadn't taken into account his abductees might actually ask questions back. It's just ridiculous. It destroys the atmosphere. The idea of a distorted voice from the dark in itself is kinda campy, but it could have worked - if executed right. But this is just...bad. It's more like P.Monkey playing a prank on them than a threat to their life and the breaking of Bree's will.
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See my above suggestion of new voice casting.

Oh, and by the way, bravo on the P.Monkey twist!!!! X-D

double edit--

That is interesting
A for Apprehend, now P for Psychological torture
H could be phase three

O.O Oh goodness ME that's good!!!! Some people say The Order is short for The Order of Denderah, but we all know the religion is a crock, so why should the title be the same? Why let low-level people who think it's a religion know any of the same things the higher-ups know? I've always wondered "what if it's The Order of the Aphid"

this could also back up the idea that not only is Oppy a fraction of the Order, but each fraction has their own specialties. Oppy's APHID seems more espianoge (what do those words have to do with? mainly spies and information) where these words have the potential to be much more brutal.


l33t /\/1/\/j4 tr1pl3 ed!t p0\/\/3r!--
O.O omg; did Jonas appear b4 or after Oppy??
....what if Jonas was the fan who got intrigued by Oppy and agreed to lure Bree to be in a fun game while meeting the girl he thought was cool on some random youtube vids?!
TiNaG, people.

[HisGirl]

Anyone notice this?



Creepy huh?

ahhhhhhh i saw that i was like woahhhhhhhhh oppy bree

Why does bree look like a smirky katie holmes in this shot??? hahaha

i took the same screenshot... i was so creeped out then cracked up when i see someone beat me to it... here it is anyway, since it has a bit more of the smirk

[Luminous]

Anyone notice this?



Here it is brighter:




Creepy huh?

Yes! That was the only thing about the video that interested me at all. I said "whaaaa?" when Bree got all demonic.
Otherwise, it seems like filler. We certainly didn't learn anything.

I agree that the acting was great


Oh and, Daniel was abducted after all.

ahhhhhhh i saw that i was like woahhhhhhhhh oppy bree

I agree - notice my avatar. It's very clear to me she has found her inner Oppy, and The Order shall face her wrath!