0163- "Communication Terminated" [3/31/07]

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romy wrote:The editing is primarily for entertainment purposes. For us - The audience
Thankyou! Someone had to say it :lol:.

Yes the creators are trying for realism in showing internal Order information, but really, how bloody boring would a vid of an order person sitting in a chair reading a report to other Orderites be? (We captured them, we're going to interrogate them and drug them and see what happens, blah blah). These vids are still meant to be entertaining to an audiance and as such I think the creators have to take liberties with the format and we have to suspend disbelief a little to get something that's both entertaining and works as a fairly believeable medium.
romy wrote:Side Note - The Psychological Torture looks to be shot in a hotel room with your run-of-the-mill hotel room chair in the BG of the interrogation shots.

My thought is that all of this "Psychological Torture" happened in a couple of hotel rooms.


I thought this too... so their in the deserts outside of Las Vegas? How inhospitable a terrain is that? Would the TAAG be able to get somewhere safe? (There are deserts there right? I'm from Australia, so excuse my ignorance if not! :lol:)
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Jo_16_2 wrote:it's sand, pretend that it's a beach :roll:
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You've never run through the Mojave desert, I take it. :lol:



At at any rate, look at the status of the video....I'm really confused by this. It's a private transmission from the Order, right? That would mean that Whoever this is isn't harmed...since they were able to edit and transmit the video.

And yet, they have this:
Transmission OTS - 0135 - 09. Subjects escaped. Attempting recovery. Target acquire@#dlks..dskjl sho$-#.atch..r$#@!......d....s.............. Faction: THE ORDER Status: PRIVATE VIDEO

That would indicate a problem of some sort, right? Like the person typing was struggling to get the information out.

My guess? The guy was shot...but was able to get back and edit the video before he passed out...or even kicked it...so they would know what's going on. That's the only way it makes sense to me....with the video being The Order person.


The next video will probably be the kids explaining what happened this past week.
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Romy, what do you mean? It is not possible that the shot came from over 500 yards away?
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Thanks Meelie for the nod. We have ventured/transitioned from a Video-Blog format to a full-on drama. IMHO, if they are going to leap to television, film or DVD, then they have to work outside of the "Proving Science Wrong" format into the "psuedo 24" kind of story.

Yes? No?

Kwich -

giddeanx posted the science, and I will let him/her defend his theory.
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kwicherbichen wrote:Romy, what do you mean? It is not possible that the shot came from over 500 yards away?
Just think of it as a race.

For 100 yrds racer A is going twice as fast as racer B.
At 500 yrds racer A has slowed but is still goind faster than racer B.

How far do you think it would take racer B to over take racer a by 10 seconds.

It seems like that would be very very far away.

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Racer A = bullet
Racer B = Sound
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What? What do you mean 10 seconds?

I thought the weird thing was the speed of a bullet at 500 yards is faster than the sound, but we see the watcher get hit AFTER we hear the sound.
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I was just going to triple check that kwich, but I can't get the video to load. I remember the sound happening first, but wouldn't it be funny if they are fixing the bullet audio based on our posts.

Interactive Entertainment is AWESOME!

Sound then hit - I just watched it - Edited.
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I just talked about this with my 12 and 14 year old brothers (I know, credible experts, right? :P)

They kept complaining that they hear a sound right after the breaking of the camera. I told them the sound 2 seconds before the glass breaks is obviously the gun shot and the sound right after the glass is still the camera breaking.

This is the only confusion I can see.

I don't know much about guns and accuracy, but I'm not putting it out of the question that the gun was fired farther than 500 feet away.
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kwicherbichen wrote:DUDE I THINK THEY ARE ROBOTS!!

ANDROID HUMANIODS! O_o
and maybe they are trying to make bree a real human???
like pinoccio? :^o

(im just teasing kwicherbichen! who really knows?)
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For 100 yrds racer A is going twice as fast as racer B.
At 500 yrds racer A has slowed but is still goind faster than racer B.

How far do you think it would take racer B to over take racer a by 10 seconds.
That's an algebra question. Math makes my head hurt.



I think "Shoes" was the shooter -- and it supports the theory I've had for ages now that some of the watchers are protecting Bree, not after her--that there is an undercurrent of hostility and instability of power within the Order.

IT reminds me of the "Jonas?" video...where there were people in the background arguing. Most people didn't think anything of it at the time...but it always stuck with me. That's what made me feel like there were internal Order issues and that, perhaps, none of them could really trust the others....because there's no saying who wants what, and where their loyalties happen to be.

I like the idea that the one who got shot made it back to the hotel to transmit, and in dramatic fashion, got the transmission up just as someone busted into the room and finally took him out. Probably "Shoes" again.
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mellie3204 wrote:
romy wrote:The editing is primarily for entertainment purposes. For us - The audience
Thankyou! Someone had to say it :lol:.

Yes the creators are trying for realism in showing internal Order information, but really, how bloody boring would a vid of an order person sitting in a chair reading a report to other Orderites be? (We captured them, we're going to interrogate them and drug them and see what happens, blah blah). These vids are still meant to be entertaining to an audiance and as such I think the creators have to take liberties with the format and we have to suspend disbelief a little to get something that's both entertaining and works as a fairly believeable medium.
We have two opposing viewpoints in this thread about the editing (and this is the last time I'll bring it up, since I think it's a little off topic). Either we have to suspend disbelief and acknowledge that the videos are solely for the entertainment of us, the audience, or we must come up with an alternate explanation of why the Order would spend time editing videos. I ventured a theory to appease the latter viewpoint, although I think mellie and romy put things well (and I agree with them).
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LONGTIMELURKER wrote:
longlostposter wrote:
Lurker wrote:
SapereAudeo wrote:
The videos are for internal information within the Order. The raw footage is sent to some version of a processing place where the videos we see are cut and put to music to make understanding easier for the rest of the Order.
Why would that stuff make it easier to understand? Isn't all that's important here is that the golden child escaped, her pursuer was shot and she's apparently still free (and the footage wouldn't need music to convey that)? Why show random shots of scenery and then throw in unnecessary music? This is a time critical situation, no? They'd need to get on the ball in tracking her down, not edit a video for dramatic effect.
I agree with Lurker on this. Why would the Order need megashots of the desert?

Obviously, the editing is meant to make the vid entertaining for us, but as far as what would happen in RL, this isn't it.

Wouldn't horror movies and dramas be a bit boring w/ out mood music and set-up scenery ?(Think Psycho w/ out the music!) Think of this as a drama....
This isn't a magical window program, though. It's all supposed to be stuff that the characters in the story filmed. I got used to the music in the vlogs, even when it seemed odd that it would be there, but that was still something being uploaded by BD&J for a large audience and it seemed a little easier to swallow. These are supposed to be private transmissions that only the people back at base are going to see.

It seems really awkward that you've got all that random scenery footage and then the music when the only important things going on here are that Bree - the girl they dedicated 17 years to raising for this ceremony, whom they need because they're running out of time (by the interrogators' own admission), and whom they've been tailing, emotionally torturing and otherwise hounding for months - has escaped and there's somebody out in the desert that - even if they aren't on Bree's side - isn't on the Order's side either. And that person has a gun that they seem to be pretty good at using.

Instead of jumping straight to the point, though, and informing their superiors and colleagues of this major development, they spent the time putting in cuts of the scenery and finding just the right moment to edit in the music for best dramatic effect. That's just plain weird.
mellie3204 wrote:These vids are still meant to be entertaining to an audiance and as such I think the creators have to take liberties with the format and we have to suspend disbelief a little to get something that's both entertaining and works as a fairly believeable medium.
True that it's all supposed to be entertainment and such, and I think we got used to this sort of thing from the main characters - though it was still strange when you stopped to think about it - but did any of us really expect this from the Order?

I'm expecting to see one of their members go get loaded at a bar over this, only for Katharine McPhee to bring him back to their base and ask "Do you guys film everything?"
giddeanx wrote:K wheh here is my usual list of thoughts. After I read all of that stuff.

1. The camera is head mounted this is the final proof. Weither it is in the sunglasses or just mounted like a nightvision scope. He needed both hands in the first video to take Jonas one to hold him the other to put the cloth on his mouth.
To be fair, if he was using both hands there, wouldn't he have tried pulling Jonas' right arm away from the cloth?
giddeanx wrote:2. Im pretty sure that a gun shot happened but something is odd about it. The bullet should have hit first and then we hear the report of the gun. Bullets travel at supersonic speeds to hear a report and then be hit is rediculous.

Speed of sound = 1128.6 fps
Average Bullet Speed (at 100 yds) = 2435.33 fps.
Average Bullet Speed (at 500 yds) = 1375 fps
I'm with romy on this one: Creators didn't think about that.
SapereAudio wrote:I ventured a theory to appease the latter viewpoint, although I think mellie and romy put things well (and I agree with them)
The same problem still applies there, though. It implies that the guys back at base spent the time doing all that editing instead of just saying "Ok, uh, guys - problem. Here's the 20 seconds of footage you need to see. Pretend you hear music if your attention span is that bad."
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bethy wrote: IT reminds me of the "Jonas?" video...where there were people in the background arguing.
I just watched this, and although I can't fully side with you on whether the people behind bree are argueing, I do think there are different sects within The Order of varying beliefs. - Like any faith, religion or denomination.
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Lurker wrote: The same problem still applies there, though. It implies that the guys back at base spent the time doing all that editing instead of just saying "Ok, uh, guys - problem. Here's the 20 seconds of footage you need to see. Pretend you hear music if your attention span is that bad."
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