0164 "Missing Days" [04/02/07]

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:54 pm

Onewen wrote:I understand what you are saying...but "set free"?? They escaped didn't they? She essentially made a "verbal agreement" to do it, and the private video to the rest of the Order is documentation of that...just wondering if that is enough or not???

Well, we're not talking contract law here. The only reason Bree agreed to do the ceremony was that CrazyGuy was threatening DB and Jonas. Whether Our Gang was set free or escaped, the fact is that none of the three of them is in the Order's hands at the moment (unless Bree either got grabbed on her way to the bathroom, or got grabbed on her way to go all Tachy on Alex's ass, but that's a whole 'nother theory). If the Order doesn't have Daniel or Jonas, it doesn't matter what Bree verbally "agreed" -- under "psychological torture" -- to do; they can't carry out their threats against the boys, so they've lost that leverage. And presumably they don't have Bree either, so they can't torture her into "agreeing."

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:54 pm

I officially have no idea what this "story" is about. I have hit bottom and this video is to blame.

So there was some guy chasing them with a camera? How did they know the other guy was a watcher? WTF is a watcher???
All I can do is hope the next video tells me something. But that's sort of the nature of LG15, isn't it? Wait for the next video... "tomorrow never comes."

ApotheosisAZ wrote:This vid kicks 57 different kinds of a$$.

Bree has gone to kick someone's Aunt in the neck unless I'm mistaken. I hope I'm not. She has been training to whip up on some Order butt. I beleive that is occuring right now.

While that sounds cool, I don't have enough faith in anyone to think that that is the case.

Wasn't Bree in the back seat when they went to sleep?

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:58 pm

janesalteredstates wrote:Wasn't Bree in the back seat when they went to sleep?

Nope. Daniel said she got out to go to the bathroom.

Onewen · Post by **Onewen** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:01 pm

Languorous Lass wrote:
Onewen wrote:I understand what you are saying...but "set free"?? They escaped didn't they? She essentially made a "verbal agreement" to do it, and the private video to the rest of the Order is documentation of that...just wondering if that is enough or not???
Well, we're not talking contract law here. The only reason Bree agreed to do the ceremony was that CrazyGuy was threatening DB and Jonas. Whether Our Gang was set free or escaped, the fact is that none of the three of them is in the Order's hands at the moment (unless Bree either got grabbed on her way to the bathroom, or got grabbed on her way to go all Tachy on Alex's ass, but that's a whole 'nother theory). If the Order doesn't have Daniel or Jonas, it doesn't matter what Bree verbally "agreed" -- under "psychological torture" -- to do; they can't carry out their threats against the boys, so they've lost that leverage. And presumably they don't have Bree either, so they can't torture her into "agreeing."

*crosses fingers* I hope you're right!

HisGirl · Post by **HisGirl** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:02 pm

I think it's strange that Daniel is brainwashed to want to go home, then the 1st thing he does when out on his own is want to call Alex, then head to Alex's home.

Maybe the brainwashing computer voice should have made himself clear WHOSE specific home he should go to.

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:04 pm

HisGirl wrote:I think it's strange that Daniel is brainwashed to want to go home, then the 1st thing he does when out on his own is want to call Alex, then head to Alex's home.

Maybe the brainwashing computer voice should have made himself WHOSE home he should go to.

(chuckle) Excellent point.

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:09 pm

Fancy, schmancy hotels have fancy, schmancy security cameras. We all remember that.

It does look like Bree is in the back seat asleep at the end of the vid. You can see her hair. I'll try to post a screenshot.

If the next vid isn't Bree sneaking up to Aunt Alex's room to beat the dust off of her, I'll eat ladron121's hat.

DoktorBob · Post by **DoktorBob** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:13 pm

Never thought I'd make a wacky theory but here goes....

OpAPHID, Watchers, and the Order in general.
Maybe there is a division within all ranks instead of just one whole group?

Wackness level 10: Maybe there is an Order War going on to decide what to do with Bree?

Any more wacky theories? List your wacky level next to it.

Magesa · Post by **Magesa** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:18 pm

Thanks for your response, Lurker! I just got back from dinner, so I didn't see until now.

Lurker wrote:
Magesa wrote:I can't seem to form any conclusions, but here are some random observations:

When Gemma warned against the Watchers, she could have just been trying to scare Bree and DB. But the Watchers have, at times, seemed almost a protective presence. When Jonas tried to punch the Watcher, the Watcher didn't seem to want to hurt Jonas.
Actually, that Watcher hauled back and was about to deck him. When Bree ran between them, he jerked his arm back at the last second so he wouldn't hurt her.

I knew I should have the thread on that video more carefully!

Everything that has happened so far has confirmed that they can't hurt Bree. Crazy Guy seemed most after Bree. However, the Order seems to use the idea that they might hurt Jonas or Daniel to their advantage.

Lurker wrote:
Magesa wrote:It was said that Crazy Guy was a member of the Order because he posted the video as an order member -- we don't know that. The Watcher picked up Crazy Guy's camera at the end, so it must have been the Watcher who posted the video.
The two previous videos - in which the guy captured and psychologically manipulated the three of them - were private transmissions of the Order, so the guy was absolutely a member of the Order.

I wasn't thinking of the poster always being the same person, but what you are saying makes perfect sense.

While Crazy Guy is in the Order, I'm still convinced that the Watcher posted this particurlar video. And he posted it under the faction of "The Order." Saying that both Crazy Guy and the Watcher are in the Order. I didn't say OpAphid, it said the Order. Now, we could just be overanalyzing it. "The Order" probably encompasses all sections.

The Order isn't very nice to those it doesn't agree with, is it? Maybe it was just OpAphid disagreeing. Or maybe that Crazy Guy really was a crazy guy -- one person with the intent of getting and psychologically torturing Bree, but the Watchers disagreed. It does tell us one thing, though -- these guys aren't afraid to kill, even if they're killing their own guys.

Lurker wrote:
Magesa wrote:It would be very interesting if OpAphid and the Order has some disagreements... and that disorganization would potentially provide our trio with a weak point to target.
That would definitely be a nice angle. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," after all. Right now, OpAphid's not looking all that bad. She may not be on their side per se, but it looks like her posse's not exactly on the side of whoever decided kidnapping Bree would be a good idea either.

That kind of a twist is exactly what this story needs. But only if they give us a good explanation first!

I think Bree's "bad-ass" training has paid off some. She seems to recall the scene better than the others -- Daniel says that Bree said that the Watcher killed Crazy Guy. She was ahead of Daniel and Jonas, and was leading the way when they were running. She's definitely not as innocent and silly as she was way back in the really early vids!

Emmie · Post by **Emmie** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:26 pm

Does anybody else think they're hearing Jonas mumbling about a robe on in the end?

This is the best I can make out at a transcript:
"No... I don't... No. Try (to get my?) robe... Um. You... It's hot, so turn it off."

I get the distinct impression that he's either reliving some important childhood events or, more recently, his torture. He's acting almost exactly like he did during his segments in Psychological Torture.

If we're lucky, Bree will figure out that the sleep-talking is important and confiscate the rest of the raw footage from Daniel.

Or, we could get a whole video of Jonas talking in his sleep. I'd vote for that. Rawr.

michiev · Post by **michiev** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:29 pm

Is anyone going to comment on the hat jonas is wearing >_>?, its like on LGpedia they dont list it.

Onewen · Post by **Onewen** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:32 pm

michiev wrote:Is anyone going to comment on the hat jonas is wearing >_>?, its like on LGpedia they dont list it.

I will...

Dang...can you believe that hat??? I mean, what is UP with that hat?? Comments???

michiev · Post by **michiev** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:37 pm

Haha thanks Onewen.

EliCash · Post by **EliCash** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:37 pm

Gemma never said that Watchers are "the Order" in the video "A Watcher!"

This was the first point I ever made in these threads (back in November), when I was making the argument that the Watchers were good guys. Here's what I said:

Gemma doesn't say they're the Order in "A Watcher." She says that's a possibility OR that "a modern version of them [Knights of the Round Table]." The "modern version" thing is rushed in the video, as if she wants you to miss it, and I didn't notice it until I read the transcript.

So please, stop saying Gemma said the Watchers were with the Order. She named that as one of TWO possibilities.

Onewen · Post by **Onewen** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:40 pm

michiev wrote:Haha thanks Onewen.

mwah!

You are quite welcome...totally my pleasure.