0165 "Losing My Religion" 4/03/07

parakeet100 · Post by **parakeet100** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:34 pm

What caused them to escape? Did someone help them? How did they get out to the desert? So far, both Daniel and Bree have said they don't remember what happened... I wonder if Jonas does and he was the one who got them to escape?

The fact that they keep mentioning that they have no idea what happened in those three days makes me think that something definitely DID happen, and they either have triggers or they went through the ceremony or something. I can't be alone in thinking this....... right?

Marbella · Post by **Marbella** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:35 pm

Aleister Crowley wrote the Hymn To Pan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

I'm looking for the lyrics now.

Aithne · Post by **Aithne** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:35 pm

Wikipedia said the hymn of Aten is remarkably similar to Psalms 104...so I looked that up too.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=50

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:36 pm

Aithne wrote:
janesalteredstates wrote: $\:D/$ INFORMATION!

Ok, so googling "Hymn of one" and not getting anything yet. I'm keeping at it.

Connections to the "Hymn of Aten?" heehee, Ahkenaten, the first monotheist! la la I like to make my story fit.

Too funny, that is what I found at wikpedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hymn_to_the_Aten

Great minds...

Rock on!

OK so I found this reference to Faust in some book called "Secret of the West" By Dmitri Merejkowski:

http://tinyurl.com/yos49z -- link to a preview on google book search

Seemed worth a mention.

Marbella · Post by **Marbella** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:38 pm

http://www.paganlibrary.com/music_poetr ... cation.php

Just throwing this one out there, too!!

Antissa Pompeii · Post by **Antissa Pompeii** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:41 pm

So, after read things on Faust (WHICH I LOOOOVE!!!!) I saw that the 'Hymn of One' was this, a sort of philosophy almost,"Jungfrau, Mutter, Königin, Göttin, bleibe gnädig." This translates into, "Virgin, mother, queen, goddess, remains benevolent."

That basically supports all the feminine shit that her religeon's about.

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:42 pm

Aithne wrote:Wikipedia said the hymn of Aten is remarkably similar to Psalms 104...so I looked that up too.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=50

I hope this isn't too off topic, but there are theories that Ahkenaten and Moses were the same person. Also... that they were a woman.

That book I posted about, I recommend looking at the table of contents, btw. Here's a url to the amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/2y3xkq

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:44 pm

If you use Good search, there are plenty of things that come up. You all should be using it anyway. Everytime you use it, a dime gets donated to the charity of your choice.

I think it was Michiev that told me that.

Anyway, whoever it was, thanks.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:47 pm

Go here for "Hymn of One" search results:

http://www.goodsearch.com/Search.aspx?K ... +of+one%22

You may have to register with GoodSearch...not sure.

Aithne · Post by **Aithne** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:47 pm

Yeah from some personal research (and the research of others), I have noticed that many religions beliefs have people/events that are uncanny in their similarities. Very Cool

Marbella · Post by **Marbella** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:51 pm

JAS..WOW!!

The Caedmon idea fit for me because of the connection to the University of Edinburgh philosophy dept.

You've found the first direct "hymn of one" reference yet. FAUST!!!

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:51 pm

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A troparion (Greek: Τροπάριον , plural: τροπάρια/troparia; Church Slavonic: тропа́рь/tropar, ) in Byzantine music and in the religious music of Eastern Orthodoxy is a short hymn of one stanza, or one of a series of stanzas (this may carry the further connotation of a hymn interpolated between psalm verses).

In casual, unqualified use, troparion usually refers to the apolytikion (Greek: απολυτίκιον), or dismissal hymn, sung near the end of vespers which establishes an overall theme for the liturgical day. It is repeated at the beginning of matins, at several other services of the hours, and at the Divine Liturgy following the Little Entrance.

A troparion to the Mother of God (Theotokos) is called a theotokion (Greek: Θεοτοκιον; plural θεοτοκια/theotokia).

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A famous example, whose existence is attested as early as the 4th century, is the Vespers hymn, Phos Hilaron, "Gladsome Light"; another, O Monogenes Yios, "Only Begotten Son," ascribed to Justinian I (527-565), figures in the introductory portion of the Divine Liturgy. Perhaps the earliest set of troparia of known authorship are those of the monk Auxentios (first half of the 5th century), attested in his biography but not preserved in any later Byzantine order of service.

[edit] Famous troparia

Paschal troparion, Tone V:

Christ is risen from the dead,
trampling down death by death,
and upon those in the tombs bestowing life.

Troparion of the Holy Cross, Tone I:

O Lord, save thy people,
and bless thine inheritance!
Grant victory to the Orthodox Christians*
over their adversaries,
and by virtue of thy cross,
preserve thy habitation.

*In monarchies where Eastern Orthodoxy is the state religion, this troparion is often used as a national anthem with the name of the ruler occurring here.

"Axion estin", a theotokion

It is truly meet to bless thee, O Theotokos,
ever blessed, and most pure, and the Mother of our God:
more honorable than the cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim.
Without corruption thou gavest birth to God, the Word.
True Theotokos, we magnify thee.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:54 pm

Here is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troparion

Sorry if someone posted this already.

A hymn of one is a one stanza hymn (usually) that is sung at the end of a service; vespers.

It seems to be Lutheran in origin.

Marbella · Post by **Marbella** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:56 pm

JAS.. I cannot find that page and I want to read the paragraph that is after that one.

HyeMew · Post by **HyeMew** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:59 pm

I liked the Meshiness-feel the script had in this one.

I was disappointed by Bree's description of her getting along so well with her dad but not her mom because it flew totally in the face of the sneaking-out-with-Daniel era episodes, in which her dad was extremely strict and Bree would go to her mom who understood a little bit better to try and prevail upon him. Bree's dad was the bad guy back then, and her mom the voice of semi-reason who sometimes was able to help things out a bit for Bree. Then again, this is because there was no long term plan or character development. When those earlier episodes were written there was no plan for Bree's Mom to turn out to be the evil leader of the Order or whatever and Bree's dad to get shot in protest and all...