0165 "Losing My Religion" 4/03/07

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:57 pm

PixieSailor wrote:After this video I'm just wondering the point of the ceremony if not a religious one.

I know there's some speculation here, but it all seems religious based.

Thinking...

Perhaps the point is to obtain power through a deity that will be used in the earthly realm to give influence and power to the Order.

anniid · Post by **anniid** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:11 pm

kisselle wrote:Hymn of One . . . o-k-a-y.

What really stands out to me in this video is the discrepancy between Bree long ago saying her parents met whilst her mother was having a spirited debate with a professor regarding free will, yet now saying her mother changed from reserved to spirited after having already been coupled with her father for some time.

Huh?

I know a girl named Karen. She is the quietest person I have ever met. She rarely adds anything to class discussions. She is introverted and extremely intelligent.
But I've definitely seen her have a "spirited debate" in class.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:32 pm

HyeMew wrote:
longlostposter wrote:Hyemew, you are wrong about Bree getting along with her mother more than her father.

From LGPedia:
Despite his strict and overprotective nature, Bree's father has a close relationship to her and in other respects seems the softer of the two parents. He encouraged her studies in science and also enjoyed taking her out to watch mystery movies. He also had a role in her homeschooling, as evidenced by his mention of their conversations about Richard Feynman and Jared Diamond.
You just love to point out me being wrong...
but I'm not.
You are referring to something in the Bree-getting-closer to her dad portion of things after she was on her run. You go and read any transcript in Bree's sneaking out phase and you'll see what I'm talking about. She says quite clearly that she usually goes to her mom when her dad says no because her mom is less strict and sometimes can prevail on him- but in that particular episode (in which you hear the parents talking in the background) Bree reports that her mom wasn't able to prevail upon her dad on this one. In that phase she was DEFINITELY closer to her mom and her dad was the bad guy. It is not fair to refute me with a fact which only came on later on, because that was a whole different time when the plot and characters had changed, as Bree's mom became the evil one while her dad became the good one reaching out to Bree.

LGPedia page on Bree's parents, individually.

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/ind ... 7s_parents

Mew, you have a head like a stone wall.

anniid · Post by **anniid** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:48 pm

guys.
one of aleister crowley's nicknames was...
(are you sitting down? because this might be old news)
"the beast."
...
i still love daniel... even if that is a horrible reference to aleister crowley

edit: sorry, juli, I know this pains you.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:24 pm

lol, that is old news. sorry.

good work though!

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:48 pm

anniid wrote:guys.
one of aleister crowley's nicknames was...
(are you sitting down? because this might be old news)
"the beast."
...
i still love daniel... even if that is a horrible reference to aleister crowley

edit: sorry, juli, I know this pains you.

Yeah, I knew that already, annid. I would still love Beast even if he were a bad guy. However, if he were like Crowley, I'd have to diss him. Crowley was a true a*****e.

Thanks for the info, though.

robtomorrow · Post by **robtomorrow** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:54 pm

longlostposter wrote:LGPedia page on Bree's parents, individually.

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/ind ... 7s_parents

Mew, you have a head like a stone wall.

longlostposter,

You seem to think the lgpedia is a authoritative source of information for all things LG15, and that if it is written there it is therefore true.

Anyone, including you or I can add to or edit the lgpedia, I have edited it a few times.

So if, as Hyemew has said, the charactersation of Bree's realationship with her parents has changed in the videos, so can the charactersaton change in the lgpedia

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:04 pm

Rob, it hasn't changed. If you look at the older videos, she was closer to her dad. He was more strict, yes, but he was the one she communicated with the most.

Mew says that I never miss a chance to prove him wrong. However, he doesn't address the fact that he attacks the Creators with every post. This is unacceptable as a mod.

Rob, please don't get in this. I like you.

marlasinger · Post by **marlasinger** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:08 pm

flame wars ftl

robtomorrow · Post by **robtomorrow** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:12 pm

I like you too longlostposter, I also like Hyemew

But in this case I agree with Hyemew that Bree gave us the impression that her relationship with her mother was closer than her relationship with her father in the early videos.

The page in the lgpedia that you are referencing wasn't even started until 10 December, the videos we are talking about were posted much earlier than that.

And if you want I will give you a demonstration of how the lgpedia works by editing the page you are referencing to reflect what Hyemew and I are saying.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:14 pm

I know you can edit the pages, rob. I disagree from looking at the earlier vids.

EdWont · Post by **EdWont** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:30 pm

Hey everyone.
Does anyone know if the AIM account "Hymnofone" is cannon or just somebody who has nothing to do with LG that got IMed by me? Thanks for your time.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:54 pm

Ed, I don't know, and your signature is hilarious.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:58 pm

I remember that back in the day we all did kind of assume that Bree had a better relationship with her mom, but looking back at the videos now, it actually kind of looks even between them to me, such that either one becoming the closer parent could have been done believably.

I might be overlooking some, so let me know if I miss any here:

-"My Parents Suck..."
This was a negative for both of them

-"I Probably Shouldn't Post This..."
Bree was angry at Daniel for portraying her dad as a jerk, so this was probably a positive point for him (it would at least suggest that she didn't think he was a jerk)

-"Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!"
Here Bree tells us about her dad waking her up when she was 10 while they were living in Australia; this is when she hung onto his shoulders while he carried her up a hill and they went with some other people to watch the really big rain drops; this seems like a positive for him too to me

-"A Change In My Life"
Here was when Bree revealed that she'd been chosen for the ceremony. She mentions that her mom offered to help her with her preparations. That could probably be seen as a positive for her mom (I'm trying to look at it without considering the knowledge we have now of her mom being a zealot who would want to make sure Bree prepared well for reasons other than a desire to be helpful to her daughter)

-"Should I Or Shouldn't I?"
This is where we got the line about Bree's mom usually taking her side. That would certainly be a positive for her (not sure how the fact that she sided with Bree's dad this time may impact that; presumably not too much since the implication is that she's taken Bree's side on several past occasions), however, thinking about it now, we didn't really get any implication of what stance her dad took when she and her mom might have had a disagreement, so we were really operating with only half of the relevant side-taking data

So, judging it on a basis of quantity (I won't say quality because we all won't regard the different things with the same value), it would be both of them with positive 1 point.

I think a lot of us back then just assumed that Bree must have a better relationship with her mom because we thought her dad was a jerk - and that was largely influenced by what had happened with him and Daniel and how her dad was giving her the shots. To be fair, thinking about it now (but I don't remember us ever really bringing it up back then), her mom was allowing the shots to go on too, so that didn't really make one of them look worse than the other.

So, yeah, I don't really think it's so much of a contradiction what we've learned now. We don't know the specifics of it all, and as such, I feel like it's not necessarily inconsistent. Inconsistent based on our past assumptions, yes, but our assumptions could have easily been flawed.

Both Bree's mom and dad were pretty much even on positive points by the time of the fake ceremony, and after that both of them got more positive points by telling Bree she didn't have to do the real ceremony (I'm assuming they both meant it) and telling her to stay with Daniel. From there it was really easy to reveal her as being more close to one of them without actually causing a contradiction. There was - and still is - so little we knew about her relationship with either of them, and both had been portrayed in fairly equal shades of negative and positive (from Bree's standing).

Kimmi-Chan · Post by **Kimmi-Chan** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:06 pm

HyeMew wrote:I liked the Meshiness-feel the script had in this one.

I was disappointed by Bree's description of her getting along so well with her dad but not her mom because it flew totally in the face of the sneaking-out-with-Daniel era episodes, in which her dad was extremely strict and Bree would go to her mom who understood a little bit better to try and prevail upon him. Bree's dad was the bad guy back then, and her mom the voice of semi-reason who sometimes was able to help things out a bit for Bree. Then again, this is because there was no long term plan or character development. When those earlier episodes were written there was no plan for Bree's Mom to turn out to be the evil leader of the Order or whatever and Bree's dad to get shot in protest and all...

I agree, She used to say that her Mom was always on her side. That part of this vid really bothered me as well.

Great job everyone on getting so much info on her religion so quickly.