Owen was featured because he clearly knows quite a bit about this whole thing. He's obviously much more intelligent than the hand puppet! Although he looked a little silly in the boa!bosquelito wrote:Also, Owen featured. Where's Purple Monkey? Was Lonesome October right?
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I started a thread to discuss the importance of the Zodiac of Denderah a while ago: http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=862
I guess no one else thought it was important. But I guess I was on the right track! It's clear her religion is quite influenced by Egyptology...
I guess no one else thought it was important. But I guess I was on the right track! It's clear her religion is quite influenced by Egyptology...
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yeah. me. =PJengels2002 wrote:Does anyone else think Ciw is not related to LG15?
In regards to the video, I think this is very interesting. There are a lot of main points to investigate. As for her candle set up and the photo being a shrine, as mentioned in that link above, I think that is true. Maybe we are thinking things are too dark, when really they aren't.
The important things to investigate from her post are the following:
1) Where is the picture on the bookcase? Or is it facing down.
I remember someone mentioning from Daniel's video that he had a photo facing down now that was once standing up.
2) Do the pictures on the back wall, which we can see clearly, have any significance?
3) Bree did not mention Daniels video, but I believe she is correcting him and trying to teach him something, especially since she labeled her video same wording as his, just replacing "Order of" with "Zodiac".
4) Of course, the most obvious...investigate what Bree mentioned in the video. Its a lot of information, but her specifics like the comparison between the Zodiacs would be a good start.
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Bree mentions the crab. Here is some information I found on that:
The Capture of the Doe or Hind - Part 2
(Cancer, June 21st - July 21st)
Qualities of the Sign
Cancer is called the Crab and the Greeks tell us that it was the crab that was sent by Hera to bite the foot of Hercules. (Again we meet this symbol in the vulnerable "heel of Achilles".) This is an interesting way of expressing the liabilities of the incarnation process and of illustrating the handicaps which beset the soul as it travels along the path of evolution. It symbolizes the limitations of all physical incarnation, for Cancer is one of the two great gates of the zodiac. It is the gate into the world of forms, into physical incarnation, and the sign wherein the duality of form and of soul is unified in the physical body.
Investigating this further, I found more information about Physical Incarnation. Maybe the ceremony has something to do with this:
A Memory From Eternity
http://21stcenturygnostic.tripod.com/id11.html
I can recall a period of intense rumination and declaration, which I will call the INTENTION COUNCIL. At this INTENTION COUNCIL, our Eternal Selves mulled over what areas of experience we wanted to have - what lessons we wanted to learn firsthand - what sorrows and losses, what triumphs and joys, and what transformations we wanted to have take place within our being.
First, we discussed these things as a group, then presented our plans individually to the Master Teachers who helped us each shape the general course of our pending incarnations.
At the end of this individual meeting with the Council of Elders, it was revealed to us that we would be given several progressively harder "tests" to pass as we accumulated experiential incarnations. These tests might lead us down a path of growth and evolution, or they might deflect us off into darker areas from which we might never return.
It was then explained to us that the ultimate goal of this entire process was to spontaneously awaken our Eternal Selves while still being manifest within a physical incarnation. We were told that this was the most difficult task known to conscious beings and that only a very few of us would survive the "Crucible of Incarnation" to participate in the final REFLECTION COUNCIL, where we would review all the lessons and insights learned from each lifetime and integrate them into our eternal perspectives.
And, it was promised, if we did reach the end of our Journey, we would become Elders ourselves, free to travel and experience the pandimensional multiverse forever.
We were also reassured that there would be guides along the way, helpers that would give us gentle nudges in the right direction and protect us from any direct manipulation by the Dark Ones. But ultimately, the course we took was ours alone. We could choose the Dark Road or the Light Road.
The Elders then gathered us together, and one by one placed their hands on our Eternal faces and put us into a deep slumber. They gently lifted our floating spiritual bodies up and pushed them into some kind of void which swallowed us up and "inserted" us into the arena of the space/time continuum.
Thus began our adventure of physical incarnation. My sleeping Eternal Self was now incarnated into a physical body, and when that body died, my Eternal Self incarnated into another physical body and so on, retaining only the essence of the wisdom learned from the previous incarnation.
The Capture of the Doe or Hind - Part 2
(Cancer, June 21st - July 21st)
Qualities of the Sign
Cancer is called the Crab and the Greeks tell us that it was the crab that was sent by Hera to bite the foot of Hercules. (Again we meet this symbol in the vulnerable "heel of Achilles".) This is an interesting way of expressing the liabilities of the incarnation process and of illustrating the handicaps which beset the soul as it travels along the path of evolution. It symbolizes the limitations of all physical incarnation, for Cancer is one of the two great gates of the zodiac. It is the gate into the world of forms, into physical incarnation, and the sign wherein the duality of form and of soul is unified in the physical body.
Investigating this further, I found more information about Physical Incarnation. Maybe the ceremony has something to do with this:
A Memory From Eternity
http://21stcenturygnostic.tripod.com/id11.html
I can recall a period of intense rumination and declaration, which I will call the INTENTION COUNCIL. At this INTENTION COUNCIL, our Eternal Selves mulled over what areas of experience we wanted to have - what lessons we wanted to learn firsthand - what sorrows and losses, what triumphs and joys, and what transformations we wanted to have take place within our being.
First, we discussed these things as a group, then presented our plans individually to the Master Teachers who helped us each shape the general course of our pending incarnations.
At the end of this individual meeting with the Council of Elders, it was revealed to us that we would be given several progressively harder "tests" to pass as we accumulated experiential incarnations. These tests might lead us down a path of growth and evolution, or they might deflect us off into darker areas from which we might never return.
It was then explained to us that the ultimate goal of this entire process was to spontaneously awaken our Eternal Selves while still being manifest within a physical incarnation. We were told that this was the most difficult task known to conscious beings and that only a very few of us would survive the "Crucible of Incarnation" to participate in the final REFLECTION COUNCIL, where we would review all the lessons and insights learned from each lifetime and integrate them into our eternal perspectives.
And, it was promised, if we did reach the end of our Journey, we would become Elders ourselves, free to travel and experience the pandimensional multiverse forever.
We were also reassured that there would be guides along the way, helpers that would give us gentle nudges in the right direction and protect us from any direct manipulation by the Dark Ones. But ultimately, the course we took was ours alone. We could choose the Dark Road or the Light Road.
The Elders then gathered us together, and one by one placed their hands on our Eternal faces and put us into a deep slumber. They gently lifted our floating spiritual bodies up and pushed them into some kind of void which swallowed us up and "inserted" us into the arena of the space/time continuum.
Thus began our adventure of physical incarnation. My sleeping Eternal Self was now incarnated into a physical body, and when that body died, my Eternal Self incarnated into another physical body and so on, retaining only the essence of the wisdom learned from the previous incarnation.
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That was indeed a good point. Hats off! However, do not dismiss Aleister Crowley too quickly, you Owen freakBroken Kid wrote:I started a thread to discuss the importance of the Zodiac of Denderah a while ago: http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=862
I guess no one else thought it was important. But I guess I was on the right track! It's clear her religion is quite influenced by Egyptology...
, there is a lot of stuff linking Crowley to Denderah, occult sciences and egyptology. 
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How Thelema Relates to Incarnation:
More great information that might show I'm on the right track!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/thelema.htm
Many of the greatest historical spiritual teachers, as well as many artistic and scientific geniuses, have actually been Secret Chiefs of the Great White Brotherhood, who have entered into incarnation in order to help guide humanity towards the realization of the ultimate goal, the attainment of universal enlightenment. Aleister Crowley himself claimed to be a Secret Chief of the White School, and not a Black Brother, although in a moment of pique he described himself as a "black magician."
The A...A... is divided into ten grades, plus four intermediate grades (shown below in square brackets), divided into three orders, which altogether comprise a complete system of spiritual attainment, as follows (from highest to lowest):
The Order of the Silver Star (The S.S.)
Ipsissimus 10° = 1□
Magus 9° = 2□
Magister Templi 8° = 3□
[The Link—Babe of the Abyss]
The Order of the Rose-Cross (The R.C.)
Adeptus Exemptus 7° = 4□
Adeptus Major 6° = 5□
Adeptus Minor (“without” and “within”) 5° = 6□
[The Link—Dominus Liminis]
The Order of the Golden Dawn (The G.D.)
Philosophus 4° = 7□
Practicus 3° = 8□
Zelator 2° = 9□
Neophyte 1° = 10□
[The Link—Probationer 0° = 0□]
[Student]
The ten main grades correspond to the Cabalistic Tree of Life, a diagram that represents the correspondence between macrocosm and microcosm, reality and consciousness.
The Law of Thelema is a system of experiential spirituality. This means that Thelemites engage in various spiritual practices in order to realize the truth of the spiritual life in and for themselves. The ultimate goal of the spiritual life is to identify with and actually become a spiritual being, free of the constraints and constrictions of conditioned existence.
**Apparently Thelma also believes in some sort of reincarnation***
Parallel to Buddhist doctrine, the Body of Light is considered to be subject to metempsychosis, or reincarnation, after the death of the body. The Body of Light is generally considered to evolve in wisdom, consciousness and spiritual power through cycles of metempsychosis for those individuals who dedicate their lives to spiritual advancement; to the point that its fate after death may ultimately be determined by the Will of the individual.
More great information that might show I'm on the right track!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/thelema.htm
Many of the greatest historical spiritual teachers, as well as many artistic and scientific geniuses, have actually been Secret Chiefs of the Great White Brotherhood, who have entered into incarnation in order to help guide humanity towards the realization of the ultimate goal, the attainment of universal enlightenment. Aleister Crowley himself claimed to be a Secret Chief of the White School, and not a Black Brother, although in a moment of pique he described himself as a "black magician."
The A...A... is divided into ten grades, plus four intermediate grades (shown below in square brackets), divided into three orders, which altogether comprise a complete system of spiritual attainment, as follows (from highest to lowest):
The Order of the Silver Star (The S.S.)
Ipsissimus 10° = 1□
Magus 9° = 2□
Magister Templi 8° = 3□
[The Link—Babe of the Abyss]
The Order of the Rose-Cross (The R.C.)
Adeptus Exemptus 7° = 4□
Adeptus Major 6° = 5□
Adeptus Minor (“without” and “within”) 5° = 6□
[The Link—Dominus Liminis]
The Order of the Golden Dawn (The G.D.)
Philosophus 4° = 7□
Practicus 3° = 8□
Zelator 2° = 9□
Neophyte 1° = 10□
[The Link—Probationer 0° = 0□]
[Student]
The ten main grades correspond to the Cabalistic Tree of Life, a diagram that represents the correspondence between macrocosm and microcosm, reality and consciousness.
The Law of Thelema is a system of experiential spirituality. This means that Thelemites engage in various spiritual practices in order to realize the truth of the spiritual life in and for themselves. The ultimate goal of the spiritual life is to identify with and actually become a spiritual being, free of the constraints and constrictions of conditioned existence.
**Apparently Thelma also believes in some sort of reincarnation***
Parallel to Buddhist doctrine, the Body of Light is considered to be subject to metempsychosis, or reincarnation, after the death of the body. The Body of Light is generally considered to evolve in wisdom, consciousness and spiritual power through cycles of metempsychosis for those individuals who dedicate their lives to spiritual advancement; to the point that its fate after death may ultimately be determined by the Will of the individual.
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Note the picture was replaced by a wooden box. Same type cassie used? What does the note up on the wall over that box say?
Interesting info we got here. Looks like they're going to veer away from Thelema as the religion and just make up one that may be a hybrid religion of sorts. Or one that we haven't nailed yet.
Oh and it looks like that photo on the bookself is definately gone, like she cleared that area on purpose. Also I think there's some kind of piece of paper on the wall under the shrine. Heh, I think I'm seeing things.
And indeed there is a small photo in a frame in Daniel's room that is facing down now. Note the ep."How could you" has it showing and the most recent one it is faced down. Also when he's on the computer theres something in the top right corner of the screen. Probably nothing, but it has candles and some weird object in the middle.
Oh and it looks like that photo on the bookself is definately gone, like she cleared that area on purpose. Also I think there's some kind of piece of paper on the wall under the shrine. Heh, I think I'm seeing things.
And indeed there is a small photo in a frame in Daniel's room that is facing down now. Note the ep."How could you" has it showing and the most recent one it is faced down. Also when he's on the computer theres something in the top right corner of the screen. Probably nothing, but it has candles and some weird object in the middle.
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she really is cute in this vid.
What? No, she's not really 15 and I'm not a perv, really! Come on, she's 20ish...so what? Uh? Don't tell me you think she's not cute in that vid....see? Someone has to speak out: Us, male grow-ups, have a right to think Bree/Jessica is cute in that vid without feeling like we need to talk to a professionnal and quick. She really is 20ish. There is nothing wrong about thinking she's cute. And it's not like cuteness is dirty or something. Some people say about...... pets for instance, "oh he's cute". And they're not like really really twisted perverted evil minds. It's just that there is nothing wrong in saying "cute". Damnit!
What? No, she's not really 15 and I'm not a perv, really! Come on, she's 20ish...so what? Uh? Don't tell me you think she's not cute in that vid....see? Someone has to speak out: Us, male grow-ups, have a right to think Bree/Jessica is cute in that vid without feeling like we need to talk to a professionnal and quick. She really is 20ish. There is nothing wrong about thinking she's cute. And it's not like cuteness is dirty or something. Some people say about...... pets for instance, "oh he's cute". And they're not like really really twisted perverted evil minds. It's just that there is nothing wrong in saying "cute". Damnit!
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DontHaveAClue wrote:she really is cute in this vid.
What? No, she's not really 15 and I'm not a perv, really! Come on, she's 20ish...so what? Uh? Don't tell me you think she's not cute in that vid....see? Someone has to speak out: Us, male grow-ups, have a right to think Bree/Jessica is cute in that vid without feeling like we need to talk to a professionnal and quick. She really is 20ish. There is nothing wrong about thinking she's cute. And it's not like cuteness is dirty or something. Some people say about...... pets for instance, "oh he's cute". And they're not like really really twisted perverted evil minds. It's just that there is nothing wrong in saying "cute". Damnit!
OOOOOOOOOOOO-k, and moving on...
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She's adorable. Nothing wrong with thinking that a cute girl dancing around with a feather boa is adorable!DontHaveAClue wrote:she really is cute in this vid.
What? No, she's not really 15 and I'm not a perv, really! Come on, she's 20ish...so what? Uh? Don't tell me you think she's not cute in that vid....see? Someone has to speak out: Us, male grow-ups, have a right to think Bree/Jessica is cute in that vid without feeling like we need to talk to a professionnal and quick. She really is 20ish. There is nothing wrong about thinking she's cute. And it's not like cuteness is dirty or something. Some people say about...... pets for instance, "oh he's cute". And they're not like really really twisted perverted evil minds. It's just that there is nothing wrong in saying "cute". Damnit!
The last picture posted by nobackspacebutton (above) is a great one!President of the Owen Fan Club