Could the ceremony be a Mormon Temple Wedding?

JerseyJohnny · Post by **JerseyJohnny** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:59 pm

prudence wrote:you must have a lot of time on your hands JJ!!! i keep seeing these LOONG defensive/persuasive posts!! fun to read tho! keep it up!

I do, prudence!!! I'm home with a cold! So I do this until I pass out every so often and then sleep for a while, then watch TV, and then back to this.

But I'm getting over my cold, I feel a lot better today. Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying reading those posts!

prudence · Post by **prudence** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:07 pm

awww... well i hope you get better soon... being sick blows

Penny · Post by **Penny** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:31 pm

JerseyJohnny wrote: Actually, my culture has been the victim of that for the last 2000 years, since Christ's apostles brought the Gospel to our nation. We have been persecuted and slaughtered for our beliefs and have been outcasts in that region for centuries.

What you say is true...christians have been treated horribly for thousands of years. The thing is, all of the things that happened to the members of the LDS church happened in the United States and not that long ago. Christians are supposed to be Christlike. There is nothing Christlike about ordering the extermination of people because of their beliefs.

JerseyJohnny wrote: That was my point all along. I'm still unsure why you hate being called "not Christian" when "Jesus Christ" is not your god, but one of your gods, and your gods are only 3 of many, many gods (i.e. the council of gods) that your religion believes in. So I just don't understand it, I guess.

You are right, you just don't understand. We don't worship millions of different Gods. We worship God (Heavenly father - same God from the Bible) and we worship Jesus Christ. THAT IS IT. We do want to be called LDS or actually The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday saints. I suppose the whole not being categorized as christian is what gets me. Whatever, its fine...I am over it.

JerseyJohnny wrote: First off, I thought I made it clear that my "attack" on Thelema was in jest. Anyway, I don't worship anyone's right to worship anything. Disagreement is not attack. Dialogue is not attack. I don't see why you think it's OK for you to say that you disagree with Thelema and that's not an attack, but my disagreement with any belief is an attack. That's a double standard.

Disagreement isn't an attack, I totally agree. The thing is, you post stuff supposing that you know everything about a religion because you read stuff on the internet. Some of the stuff you say is totally wrong. I mean really wrong. I don't think you should be schooling people about the LDS church.

JerseyJohnny wrote: The LDS Church doesn't practice it, but it did. And the founder of the LDS Church, Joseph Smith, started the practice. And Brigham Young continued it. And both men married girls who were 14. So I'm never sure why today's LDS seem to have a problem with Warren Jeffs. The only problem I can see that the LDS have with Warren Jeffs is that he is not part of the official LDS Church, but part of a splinter LDS group. But as far as his polygamy, it's not any different from what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did, and both those men are held in very high regard in the Traditional LDS Church. Heck, the LDS Church named their university after Brigham Young - BYU!!! Maybe one day there will be a WJU - Warren Jeffs University - founded by the FLDS???

Okay, yeah polygamy is part of my churches history. Not a secret. We don't practice it anymore. If a member of our church tries to live a polygamist lifestyle they are excommunicated. I don't like polygamy but we don't practice it anymore, END OF STORY. As far as these men marrying young girls, that wasn't abnormal back then (The abnormal thing was polygamy). We have a problem with Warren Jeffs for the same reason everyone else does. I don't think I need to explain myself here.

JerseyJohnny wrote: I never said you worship satan or have sexual ceremonies, although you do have rituals that are copied from Freemasonry. And your symbolism, again, is masonic and occultic. For example, right now you probably have on special underwear that has a compass and square on it - those are masonic symbols. And they have sexual meanings within Masonry. The compass is the male principle and the square is the female principle (use your imagination and it will make sense why they arrange them the way they do). In any case, I believe that the Mormon church practices just as the Masons do in revealing only so much at a time to people about what all the symbols really mean. But that's just what I believe based on what I've researched, I could be wrong.

I know you never said that we worship satan or have sexual ceremonies. I just put it there in case anyone was wondering if that is what we do. I know where our ceremonies come from. I know what the symbols mean. We can talk about whatever we want in the Temple. There are no secrets. IT is Sacred.

JerseyJohnny wrote: Those would be fighting words, but I don't recall calling you (mormons) liars. But if I did, then I apologize for that and it was wrong of me. In any case, I hope you have reached a new understanding based on all this dialog, as I have.

So I was too lazy to go back and copy what you actually said and put it in my last post. Here it is:

JerseyJohnny wrote: When a religion is deceitful and misleading as the Mormon Church is, it's time to stop respecting that religion, so that's the point I'm at with them. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. You really ought to start examining things with a more open mind regarding your Mormon religion.

sororyzbl · Post by **sororyzbl** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:44 pm

Penny wrote:Okay, yeah polygamy is part of my churches history. Not a secret. We don't practice it anymore. If a member of our church tries to live a polygamist lifestyle they are excommunicated. I don't like polygamy but we don't practice it anymore, END OF STORY. As far as these men marrying young girls, that wasn't abnormal back then (The abnormal thing was polygamy). We have a problem with Warren Jeffs for the same reason everyone else does. I don't think I need to explain myself here.

Polygamy is part of EVERY religion's history. It's not an exclusive LDS thing by any stretch.

tucsontim · Post by **tucsontim** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:44 pm

THE MORMAN CHURCH BELIEVES IN GOD AND JESUS CHRIST AS GODS SON. JESUS CHRIST IS OUR SAVIOR HE IS GODS SON. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN MANY GODS. NOW I'M NOT THE BEST MORMAN ACTUALLY I HAVENT BEEN TO CHURCH IN A WHILE AND AM NOT LIVING THE MORMAN RELIGION RIGHT NOW BUT I WAS A GOOD PRACTICING MORMAN BEFORE AND THIS THREAD HAS GOT ME THINKING ABOUT IT AND MAYBE I READ THIS POST TODAY TO REMEMBER MY PAST AS A MORMAN AND MAYBE IT WILL HELP ME RETURN TO MY RELIGON. I DUNNO BUT IT REALLY HAS GOT ME THINKING. THANKS FOR BASHING MORMANS JJ BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE JUST SAVED THIS MORMAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH JJ I AND REALLY APPRECIATE IT

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:54 pm

Apparently "Mormans" believe in excessive use of the Caps Lock too. Geeze.

Penny · Post by **Penny** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:10 pm

Mirage wrote:Apparently "Mormans" believe in excessive use of the Caps Lock too. Geeze.

LOL! <---hey look it's in all caps! rofl!

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:11 pm

Penny wrote:
Mirage wrote:Apparently "Mormans" believe in excessive use of the Caps Lock too. Geeze.
LOL! <---hey look it's in all caps! rofl!

*huddles in the corner* Scary Mormans with their scary Caps Locks....

Flautapantera · Post by **Flautapantera** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:15 pm

I'm really glad that since tucsontim is such a devoted "morman" that he knows how to spell it correctly.

MORMON

I'm not even a Mormon and check it out! Wah-bam!

tucsontim · Post by **tucsontim** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:03 pm

ITS OK I DIDN'T REPLY TO THIS POST TO MAKE SURE MY SPELLING WAS ALL CORRECT. SO AS LONG AS YOU GOT THE IDEA WHICH YOU DID IT'S ALL GOOD. I ENJOY BEING CALLED ON MY MISTAKES IT MAKES ME LAUGH PLUS I WAS WRITING THAT REALLY FAST BECAUSE I'M AT WORK. BUT GUESS WHAT ITS FRIDAY(FRIDAY THE 13TH AT THAT) AND I DONT WANNA DO ANYMORE WORK UNTIL MONDAY SO ITS TIME TO CHILL AT WORK UNTIL 5 PM HAHAHA STILL SUCKS TO BE STUCK HERE THOUGH

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:05 pm

Ok, someone announcing that it's Friday the 13th in Caps is actually kinda freaky. Just the way it looks.

PlstcNintendoBox · Post by **PlstcNintendoBox** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:57 am

Okay, yeah polygamy is part of my churches history. Not a secret. We don't practice it anymore. If a member of our church tries to live a polygamist lifestyle they are excommunicated. I don't like polygamy but we don't practice it anymore, END OF STORY. As far as these men marrying young girls, that wasn't abnormal back then (The abnormal thing was polygamy). We have a problem with Warren Jeffs for the same reason everyone else does. I don't think I need to explain myself here.

Sorry to burst your bubble -- but you're wrong. I'm an ex-mormon myself. I"m 15 years old, and was involved in the LDS religion since birth, up until about a year ago. I can honestly say that the LDS church does STILL practice poligomy, but you'll have to let me explain first.

To begin, I will say that the situation I am about to place before you is entirely real. One of the bishop's of my old ward, who is from a very well respected family, is the founder of a VERY succesful lawfirm in the Southeast Texas area, and is considered a father by many -- even myself. I will NOT use his real name, and instead refer to him as Jim.

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Jim is a young man who has just come off of his mission. He has a sweetheart back home named Jennifer. When he returns, they are married and sealed in the temple. Jim and Jennifer then have TWELVE children. That's right, twelve (12).

Sadly, Jennifer becomes victim to a deadly case of ALS. (More information here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophi ... _sclerosis) After she dies, the family is saddened and they go a few years with no mother.

Lo and behold, three years later, Jim remaries to Sarah. This in itself is not polygamistic -- but the fact that he was sealed to Sarah in the temple at this point is.

See, while they might not be here on earth together, Jim will now have Jennifer AND Sarash as wives in heaven. At first I did not believe that this was a polygamist acts, but after some research... Did you know that men can get sealed in the temple to as many wives as they want -- but women can only be sealed to ONE man?

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Now you seem a reasonable person, willing to talk about things. Myself not been to church for over a year now, I have not had the chance to ask those questions to a church leader. Maybe you can do so and let me know what the answers are?

Sfonzarelli · Post by **Sfonzarelli** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:10 pm

JerseyJohnny wrote:These are not atypical for a Christian organization, in fact they are actually heretical. These are what separate non-Christians from Christians, and that is agreed upon throughout orthodox Christianity, from Baptists to Catholics to Orthodox to Methodists. The whole point is that Mormons are not "Christian", their founders and leaders make it clear that they are against "Christianity", and it is a recent phenomena that the Mormons consider themselves "Christian" at all.

Whatever, as long as you recognize thant orthdox Christianity, from Baptism, to Catholicism, to Orthodox, to Methodism, is actually the mutation.

Penny · Post by **Penny** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:28 pm

PlstcNintendoBox wrote:
Okay, yeah polygamy is part of my churches history. Not a secret. We don't practice it anymore. If a member of our church tries to live a polygamist lifestyle they are excommunicated. I don't like polygamy but we don't practice it anymore, END OF STORY. As far as these men marrying young girls, that wasn't abnormal back then (The abnormal thing was polygamy). We have a problem with Warren Jeffs for the same reason everyone else does. I don't think I need to explain myself here.
Sorry to burst your bubble -- but you're wrong. I'm an ex-mormon myself. I"m 15 years old, and was involved in the LDS religion since birth, up until about a year ago. I can honestly say that the LDS church does STILL practice poligomy, but you'll have to let me explain first.

To begin, I will say that the situation I am about to place before you is entirely real. One of the bishop's of my old ward, who is from a very well respected family, is the founder of a VERY succesful lawfirm in the Southeast Texas area, and is considered a father by many -- even myself. I will NOT use his real name, and instead refer to him as Jim.

===============================================

Jim is a young man who has just come off of his mission. He has a sweetheart back home named Jennifer. When he returns, they are married and sealed in the temple. Jim and Jennifer then have TWELVE children. That's right, twelve (12).

Sadly, Jennifer becomes victim to a deadly case of ALS. (More information here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophi ... _sclerosis) After she dies, the family is saddened and they go a few years with no mother.

Lo and behold, three years later, Jim remaries to Sarah. This in itself is not polygamistic -- but the fact that he was sealed to Sarah in the temple at this point is.

See, while they might not be here on earth together, Jim will now have Jennifer AND Sarash as wives in heaven. At first I did not believe that this was a polygamist acts, but after some research... Did you know that men can get sealed in the temple to as many wives as they want -- but women can only be sealed to ONE man?

===============================================

Now you seem a reasonable person, willing to talk about things. Myself not been to church for over a year now, I have not had the chance to ask those questions to a church leader. Maybe you can do so and let me know what the answers are?

UGH! are we still doing this? Fine, you are right...again, this info is not a secret. Why even bring this up if these people don't even believe in the lds church and it's teachings? If they don't believe in the LDS church then they don't believe that people can be sealed together after death...which makes polygamy after death a moot point.

Which by the way, I got things worked out with my husband. I told him that I don't want him to be sealed to another women if I die and he has agreed (I will come back and haunt him if he does...LOL!). That's it, end of story...I won't be in a polygamy relationship after death either. 'So suck on that' 15 year old ex-mormon (I know totally not Christlike...I am just kidding....I have been watching 'Mean Girls' a little too much these days).