0201 -- "Opening the Box" [05/29/07]

alysaface · Post by **alysaface** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:35 am

Laurin_B wrote:If Bree's dad was giving her the shots to make her trait negative, why was Julia getting shots, too? Isn't she already trait negative?

Maybe she was getting the shots to help make her trait positive?

Laurin_B · Post by **Laurin_B** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:47 am

I thought they were both getting shots of the same thing. If they were supposed to be going in opposite directions (positive<->negative) why would they be getting the same thing?

yepooda · Post by **yepooda** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:52 am

Laurin_B wrote:I thought they were both getting shots of the same thing. If they were supposed to be going in opposite directions (positive<->negative) why would they be getting the same thing?

Maybe she (Julia) wasn't getting shots at all. What if it was just a ploy to lure Bree?

kellylen · Post by **kellylen** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:56 am

haha alysa it makes me giggle too

Akiana · Post by **Akiana** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:58 am

Stellahella wrote:
Gidget wrote:

whatdya think? Can anybody see anything else?
I think the word before "will?" is Epogen. And underneath "will" is --EFFECTS?

Also, I think it reads IRON SUPPLEMENTS, instead of it being supplement B or 13.

But I'm using my powers of squintation, so this could be wrong.

This is what I see:

(words under her fingers) INJECTIONS OF EPOGEN.
(WORD) (WORD) (WORD) OF EPOGEN - WHY
- EFFECTS
- TRAIT REFUSAL OR REVERSAL
- (WORD)
(WORD)
(WORD) (WORD)
(WORD) (WORD) CELL COUNT
IRON SUPPLEMENTS (No B or 13 just a "TS")

Ardra · Post by **Ardra** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:02 pm

iamcool wrote: why didnt daniel read the rest of the letter
there are alwaysss!!!!! codes and does he never learn that he cannot crack it without the lonely crackers doing it for him, geeezz that was stupid of him!!!

I'm pretty sure Daniel didn't read the rest because it's a public video. They might release a private video with the missing info in the future, or Daniel might come here to ask for help.

Haether · Post by **Haether** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:08 pm

tripwires wrote:Something weird i noticed when i was playing the video for the second time.
They were talking about ribozymes and how dad injected her with something so she couldn't do the ceremony.
Well now she again has those bandages on her arms for the injections i guess.
I wonder why...any ideas?

it is could also be from cell biopsies, not injections.

1) it would not make sense to draw blood to test for ribozymes. Erythrocytes (red blood cells) do not have a nucleus. Yes, you could test the leukocytes, but that seems inefficient.
2) the injections she was getting may have had not been Order-related, but dad-related. The bandages on her arm now could be from continuing biopsies.
3) the bandages she had on were a little huge for a little injection, but appropriate for a cell biopsy
4) Epogen is injected intravenously, not intramuscularly. Plus, epogen has really nothing to do with ribozymes.
5)Perhaps epogen was a red herring, and has nothing to do with the ceremony. Maybe the Order is Amgen. This entire series is a plot by Genentech to make Amgen look bad so they can take a larger market share

(yes, I posted this somewhere else too...but I think that thread is dead)

LittleChickie · Post by **LittleChickie** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:11 pm

alysaface wrote:Well, Daniel never moved in the video when Jonas said it, so ya know. haha.

idk i <3 it, it makes me giggle, will never fail.

I know. He just looks like a statue while Jonas looks like he's getting his FREAK on. lol

Starlight_Heart · Post by **Starlight_Heart** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:58 pm

voyboy wrote:Omg!! of course~

How do we save Bree?

By... PROVING SCIENCE WRONG!!!
We need to prove to the order that their little fountain of youth is nothing more than wishful thinking

Why is the Hymn of One in California then? Because the Fountain of Youth is supposed to be in Florida...

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:12 pm

MentalLain wrote:

n1ce.

sack36 · Post by **sack36** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:25 pm

Dsrtnomad wrote:
Samara wrote:
The PO4 (+ - shaped thing in the middle) ==edited out biochemistry babble==
I'm sorry, could you repeat that? There was this loud whooshing noise that distracted me.
Yeah, that's why I got a C in the class. I learned it enough to get the gist, not able to really re-teach it to people.

So think of the + with the P in the middle and the O's around it as tape. It's holding the vertical portions of the ladder together (the rungs of the ladder are the N+1 bits and are not important for what we're discussing). So the ribozyme is doing what Daniel described: cutting apart the RNA into sections, and the 'tape' is getting stuck to only one end of it, but you can't reuse that piece of tape again very easily. Hopefully that makes it easier to understand.

this is it for me until tomorrow morning

I had the good fortune of never taking biology in school, so I am sooo totally a babe in the woods with this.

But

Several years ago I watched a show on Public television about the reason there is a limit to human lifetime. They talked in baby talk just like Nomad did (above) so I kinda understood it. Now what they said is that the "tape" that gets cut in half keeps getting shorter and shorter until there is nothing left. At that point the cell dies and doesn't regenerate.

I think they said that the only cells that recreate that piece of tape are fetal. This brings up a graphic I displayed once before:

This was about globin and in that discussion I mentioned I thought they were looking for a cure for death.

If you look at the graph you can see that the types of globin alter dramatically at birth. Could this be the moment when that "tape" looses it's ability to reproduce? Could Bree's blood traits look like pre-birth? Could the research we did before on the blood be part and parcel of this whole ribosomes thing?

I feel like I'm on my tippy toes batting at something way over my head, but I really wanted to contribute. Did it help?

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:32 pm

Laurin_B wrote:If Bree's dad was giving her the shots to make her trait negative, why was Julia getting shots, too? Isn't she already trait negative?

We were never told that she was getting shots (Jules actually told Misty at one point that she wasn't getting any shots). Had we been told that, though, it could have been a ruse anyway.

Renegade wrote:
MentalLain wrote:
n1ce.

Very nice.

I wonder where that shot of her came from. It's not been in a previous vid, has it?

kellylen · Post by **kellylen** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:11 pm

sack36 wrote:
Dsrtnomad wrote:
Samara wrote:
The PO4 (+ - shaped thing in the middle) ==edited out biochemistry babble==
I'm sorry, could you repeat that? There was this loud whooshing noise that distracted me.
Yeah, that's why I got a C in the class. I learned it enough to get the gist, not able to really re-teach it to people.

So think of the + with the P in the middle and the O's around it as tape. It's holding the vertical portions of the ladder together (the rungs of the ladder are the N+1 bits and are not important for what we're discussing). So the ribozyme is doing what Daniel described: cutting apart the RNA into sections, and the 'tape' is getting stuck to only one end of it, but you can't reuse that piece of tape again very easily. Hopefully that makes it easier to understand.

this is it for me until tomorrow morning
I had the good fortune of never taking biology in school, so I am sooo totally a babe in the woods with this.

But

Several years ago I watched a show on Public television about the reason there is a limit to human lifetime. They talked in baby talk just like Nomad did (above) so I kinda understood it. Now what they said is that the "tape" that gets cut in half keeps getting shorter and shorter until there is nothing left. At that point the cell dies and doesn't regenerate.

I think they said that the only cells that recreate that piece of tape are fetal. This brings up a graphic I displayed once before:

This was about globin and in that discussion I mentioned I thought they were looking for a cure for death.

If you look at the graph you can see that the types of globin alter dramatically at birth. Could this be the moment when that "tape" looses it's ability to reproduce? Could Bree's blood traits look like pre-birth? Could the research we did before on the blood be part and parcel of this whole ribosomes thing?

I feel like I'm on my tippy toes batting at something way over my head, but I really wanted to contribute. Did it help?

One of my pictures I posted was of beta-globin being cut.

maybe thehy are connected?

SARAHPHOBIA88 · Post by **SARAHPHOBIA88** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:19 pm

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That avatar makesme laugh. LOL.

SARAHPHOBIA88 · Post by **SARAHPHOBIA88** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:21 pm

Lurker wrote:
Laurin_B wrote:If Bree's dad was giving her the shots to make her trait negative, why was Julia getting shots, too? Isn't she already trait negative?
We were never told that she was getting shots (Jules actually told Misty at one point that she wasn't getting any shots). Had we been told that, though, it could have been a ruse anyway.

Renegade wrote:
MentalLain wrote:
n1ce.
Very nice.

I wonder where that shot of her came from. It's not been in a previous vid, has it?

The Sarah pic is the thumbnail for YT. Probably cut footage. Nice going Creators, lol.