208 - Holy SH%T [6/7/07]

Gidget · Post by **Gidget** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:54 am

Lurker wrote: Midi-chlorians?

That made me laugh really hard for some reason!

Chelseyrl · Post by **Chelseyrl** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:57 am

aboriginalgangster wrote:I hope everyone is satisfied. I certainly am not. Looking at this from a perspective that is NOT blinded by hormones that just makes me want to watch a couple of people makeout (go to a few parties and it gets old pretty quick, kids), I am furious. If the circumstances were normal, or at least, you know, normal for LG15, then I couldn't care less who kisses whom. That's not what I watch the series for (might be different if I found myself attracted to any of them, but that is not the case), but I don't mind it.

What makes me object is the total lack of ethics on the part of Jonas. He moved in so fast, it's almost as if he had been waiting for his moment to make a move and the moment he saw it, he moved in. Despite the fact that Bree is not exactly in her right mind, no, all that matters is that Jonas gets his rocks off. In fact, as some others have pointed out, it seems she has reverted back to a child-like state. How could this get any worse?

Is he taking advantage of her? Before I thought he wasn't, I thought he was just trying to help. Now I have no doubt that he is.

Could someone please tell me how this is any different from a guy taking advantage of a cute drunk girl at a party, who just so happens to be nearly unconscious on a couch? Coming from someone who has been at parties where girls have been raped (even friends of mine) and then seen what happens the next day, THIS IS NOT OKAY AT ALL AND IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN LIGHTLY.

Granted they are just making out, but you know what that can lead to. If this story arc goes in that direction, I'll be pretty miffed. As it stands now, not all is lost. Jonas can still make a vid explaining that what he was doing was wrong and the moment he realized that, he backed off.

Even so, I'm sure as soon as Bree recovers she's going to be pretty pissed at Jonas.

I know I'll look like a total hypocrite because of my av, but I want people to know the only reason I have it is because I find it cute. Okay, yeah, sorry... I'm 18 and view it to be slightly adorable...

Anyway, I do think Jonas should have stopped it, no matter how he feels about her. Bree did kiss him first, although he didn't make it shy with his constant stroking of her hair that he wanted it to. I'm really disappointed that he did not realize what a huge mistake he made.

Yeah... I'm a total hypocrite with my av. I can't get past it.

EDIT: because I wrote in the wrong spot like a dummy.

Charles Phoenix · Post by **Charles Phoenix** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:59 am

aboriginalgangster wrote:
Jonas can still make a vid explaining that what he was doing was wrong and the moment he realized that, he backed off.

Even so, I'm sure as soon as Bree recovers she's going to be pretty pissed at Jonas.

my vote still goes to this has been happening behind peoples backs... bree and jonas definitely had somthing going before and she is the one that initiated tonites snog session... and in "bedside manner"... she came to him...

aboriginalgangster · Post by **aboriginalgangster** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:00 am

Chelseyrl wrote:Anyway, I do think Jonas should have stopped it, no matter how he feels about her. Bree did kiss him first, although he didn't make it shy with his constant stroking of her hair that he wanted it to. I'm really disappointed that he did not realize what a huge mistake he made.

We don't know Bree kissed him first. She kissed him in the video, but who knows how long they'd already been kissing before Sarah got hold of a camera and started filming? If she was sneaking up there, she probably already saw what they were doing and thought it would be a good thing to document.

Which also explains why Bree knows what she's doing. They were probably making out for at least a few minutes previous to what we saw, which is enough time to figure out the basics of making out.

ETA: I don't believe they had anything officially going on before this. It's obvious Jonas was into her, but if something was actually going on I think at least Sarah would have blurted something out about it, the same way Jonas made fun of Daniel.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:01 am

Charles Phoenix wrote:
Lurker wrote:
Chelseyrl wrote:(Obviously) I love the kiss. It brings out the tiny microscopic fan-girl molecule I have.
Midi-chlorians?

Maybe in the next two pages, Charles Phoenix. Sorry, I had to.
haha...

for that line i dont mind.. that was funny

Gidget wrote:
Lurker wrote: Midi-chlorians?

That made me laugh really hard for some reason!

Glad to be of service.

Chelseyrl wrote:Wise ass.

aboriginalgangster wrote:Could someone please tell me how this is any different from a guy taking advantage of a cute drunk girl at a party, who just so happens to be nearly unconscious on a couch?

The difference, I believe, is that he's in love with her and his feelings are telling him that this isn't her being vulnerable; that this is her reciprocating how he feels.

Gidget · Post by **Gidget** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:03 am

aboriginalgangster wrote: Could someone please tell me how this is any different from a guy taking advantage of a cute drunk girl at a party, who just so happens to be nearly unconscious on a couch? Coming from someone who has been at parties where girls have been raped (even friends of mine) and then seen what happens the next day, THIS IS NOT OKAY AT ALL AND IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN LIGHTLY.

Chillax. I agree that it is wrong, but i wouldn't say it is what you are suggesting. Its just some harmless kissing. I agree that this "issue" is very serious in other situations because I too have a friend that has been raped I also do not take things like this lightly. But I believe there is a line, and so far Jonas hasn't crossed it yet.

We may not know the whole story here at all. I think that they've been dating in some form for a lot longer then this. It definitely doesn't look to me like its the first time they've been making out. Jonas could be kissing her to trigger her memory of their relationship. - just a thought!

Charles Phoenix · Post by **Charles Phoenix** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:05 am

Lurker wrote:
aboriginalgangster wrote:Could someone please tell me how this is any different from a guy taking advantage of a cute drunk girl at a party, who just so happens to be nearly unconscious on a couch?
The difference, I believe, is that he's in love with her and his feelings are telling him that this isn't her being vulnerable; that this is her reciprocating how he feels.

im seconding lurker

this is jonas trying to act like things were before... that way she can come back to her old self

they most likely were like this before she was taken... and to him it dosent feel like hes doing anything differently

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:06 am

Lurker wrote:
aboriginalgangster wrote:Could someone please tell me how this is any different from a guy taking advantage of a cute drunk girl at a party, who just so happens to be nearly unconscious on a couch?
The difference, I believe, is that he's in love with her and his feelings are telling him that this isn't her being vulnerable; that this is her reciprocating how he feels.

The difference is that Sarah filmed this.

She is either Order or just trying to start trouble.

Chelseyrl · Post by **Chelseyrl** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:08 am

I just viewed it as her being a nosy girl.

Charles Phoenix · Post by **Charles Phoenix** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:08 am

ApotheosisAZ wrote:
Lurker wrote:
aboriginalgangster wrote:Could someone please tell me how this is any different from a guy taking advantage of a cute drunk girl at a party, who just so happens to be nearly unconscious on a couch?
The difference, I believe, is that he's in love with her and his feelings are telling him that this isn't her being vulnerable; that this is her reciprocating how he feels.
The difference is that Sarah filmed this.

She is either Order or just trying to start trouble.

its her being her sneaky mischevious self...

character development... why do you think creators made her pet a ferret instead of, like, a bunny... i link it at least

aboriginalgangster · Post by **aboriginalgangster** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:09 am

Gidget wrote: Chillax. I agree that it is wrong, but i wouldn't say it is what you are suggesting. Its just some harmless kissing. I agree that this "issue" is very serious in other situations because I too have a friend that has been raped I also do not take things like this lightly. But I believe there is a line, and so far Jonas hasn't crossed it yet.

We may not know the whole story here at all. I think that they've been dating in some form for a lot longer then this. It definitely doesn't look to me like its the first time they've been making out. Jonas could be kissing her to trigger her memory of their relationship. - just a thought!

This is true. And I probably overreacted, but mostly just because so many people don't see anything wrong with what is going on. What Jonas is thinking of doing just makes my skin crawl. And he hasn't crossed the line, but he very well could. And in my mind he already has crossed a line if they were NOT dating (I don't think they were because someone probably would have made at least a joke about it), in which case Bree, wherever she is hidden in her mind, might feel taken advantage of and betrayed.

Gidget · Post by **Gidget** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:13 am

Chelseyrl wrote:I just viewed it as her being a nosy girl.

Agreed.

Lurker wrote: The difference, I believe, is that he's in love with her and his feelings are telling him that this isn't her being vulnerable; that this is her reciprocating how he feels.

Also agreed. I think he really does love her. Remember how he freaked he was when Daniel mentioned something about her getting married off by the order? He really wants to protect her. He's not just a horny guy looking for an easy squeeze. I thought he was gentle with her actually. It was a "passionate" kiss, not a steamy "I want to get in your pants kiss"

Gidget · Post by **Gidget** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:16 am

aboriginalgangster wrote:
What Jonas is thinking of doing just makes my skin crawl. And he hasn't crossed the line, but he very well could. And in my mind he already has crossed a line if they were NOT dating (I don't think they were because someone probably would have made at least a joke about it), in which case Bree, wherever she is hidden in her mind, might feel taken advantage of and betrayed.

I guess we'll know in the morning...because I think all persons involved are going to go ape sh*t when they see this video. Theres A LOT of different ways this could go.

MintyBeast · Post by **MintyBeast** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:18 am

I've been here the whole time the vid has been out and then some. There are a lot of people who are not okay with this kiss.

kisselle · Post by **kisselle** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:18 am

kellylen wrote:
ApotheosisAZ wrote:
*stabs the screen*

Okay, back to reading the rest of the thread for me . . .

(but that was just sooo funny, Kelleylen.)