0053 Daniel, Be Careful... [10/17/06]

cymatic · Post by **cymatic** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:15 pm

HenrySugar wrote:I found this in the YT comments section under the 'Boy Problems' video:

lonelygirl15 (3 months ago)
I do like him...I think...I don't know...arrrghh. I just have been in this position before and my parents ruined it and I already know how much Daniel doesn't get along with them so...

Shoot, 3 months ago she lived in some remote village "3 hours from the nearest mall," now she's in LA... Is there any good reason to think that details from early in the series are even "true" in the series at this point?

jscolli1 · Post by **jscolli1** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:19 pm

I know that this is off topic- but that doesn't seem to be much of a crime today. Is there a collection of all of Bree's returned comments, emails, myspace messages, etc? That "this has happened before" is a pretty big deal and me being the silly newbie that I am had never heard of it before.

Oh, and did anyone notice that lightswitch?

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Flautapantera · Post by **Flautapantera** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:22 pm

rachelalexis wrote:
Flautapantera wrote:
Broken Kid wrote:The most important question to ask about this video is: Where is Owen? He's seen in pretty much every video that takes place in Bree's room, typically perched on the bed. But here we see Thor and Monkey. What happened to Owen?

I theorize that he's been abducted by the secret religion because he knew too much, and it will be up to Bree and Daniel to save him! Hurry Daniel! Owen's in danger!

Note to self: don't post on message board when highly caffinated...
I love that I can count on you to stick a little Owen into each post.

Wait...maybe this belongs in the party thread...
*sputters* why, I never... our little coquette is being bad on other threads... *mumblemumblepunishmentmumble*

So....that video was pretty intense, eh?

OtoBnAGGIE · Post by **OtoBnAGGIE** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:26 pm

cymatic wrote:
HenrySugar wrote:I found this in the YT comments section under the 'Boy Problems' video:

lonelygirl15 (3 months ago)
I do like him...I think...I don't know...arrrghh. I just have been in this position before and my parents ruined it and I already know how much Daniel doesn't get along with them so...
Shoot, 3 months ago she lived in some remote village "3 hours from the nearest mall," now she's in LA... Is there any good reason to think that details from early in the series are even "true" in the series at this point?

We know that the story is being FILMED in LA, but the characters have still never revealed where they are. Ever since they were outed Ive been watching this like any other TV show and just because the creek they went swimming in is actually in California doesnt mean thats where this story takes place.

Joss · Post by **Joss** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:44 pm

The place:
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Little bit messy.. Looks as she just got out of bed.. Or she having been locked inside all day long.. Teddy bear is on her way to the computer from the door, She jumped over it or walked around it? Either way we are not used to see this carelesness from Bree. Obviously she is not in a hurry since she had the time to fix her nails and then record the video and edit it. So she is either mad or sad or both.

Luv2Skydive

The purple stood out to me....Purple Monkey, purple shirt, purple runner under Crowley shrine.

A girl wearing pink/purple colors is no surprise, however there is a reason for the purple color associated with Crowley's shrine for purple is the color of great magic power, divinity and divine power (remember the Pope of Rome, bishops, etc..) so in a way it means not only respect but adoration of Crowley's fugure.

But "3" candles (I mean the number 3) and the other objects around the candles.. The wooden box.. All that suggest something else: A magic altar where offerings are made in the form of burning candles or incense or other things used for those matters, which are kept in a wooden box for 2 reasons: To preserve them dry for ambient moisture and to conserve their magic attributes. In this case the purple runner would have a slightly different meaning that gives the story a twist for it would mean invocation of the magic power of the person who the shrine is dedicated to: Aleister Crowley.

And that makes sense since Aleister Crowley has probably been the biggest magic practicant of this century.

Now, that do implies that Bree is an active practicant too.. That would mean she is serious and actively involved in her "religion" and that she being called to participate in the ceremony was no coincidence neither was an expontaneous effort made to please her parents.. Rather she really ment to do it.

At this point I feel I have to clarify something: We inmediatly associate words like "magic, offering, altar,..." to something bad, destructive, ugly and so on. Just remember that, for instance, the catholic curch also wears purple and invokes higher power in ceremonies (in a wedding "In the name of god I declare you husband and wife") and not necesarily means something bad.

But getting back to the point.. Magic nowadays is perfomed generally by rich people who "orders" a ceremony with a purpose like proctecting bussinesses, their wealth, their power or to achieve higher suceess. So there is a point in Daniel being watched and taken pictures and Bree's "You do not who are you dealing with" thing.

Jesus! I write too much!

The Person:
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Bree to me looks depresed, lacked of motivation or will, she's not a shining star anymore.. She's faded, running out of batteries. I know you are going to laugh about this but if she were my girlfriend I would sit by her and talk to her 'til the end of time if necessary until I find out what is going on with her because seeing her like this would mean to me she is strugling with something way bad and she is making it worse by keeping it for herself.

The Situation:
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I'm sorry but it is not believable at this point that Bree cares for Daniel more that she cares for herself, let me put this on another perspective: She is more worried for how she may feel (Guilty, Responsible?) for what Daniel does or what may happen to him that for Daniel himself. And if you think about it thats the way it should be: Did Daniel confess being madly in love with her? Did she ask him to follow her? Did she deserved some more privacy and respect?

Said this I have to admit that I probably would have done just what Daniel did.. I really mean it: I have done something similar in the past.. :-/ (I was young and fool and all that..)

Gee.. Being a man is tough and risky sometimes!

Joss · Post by **Joss** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:06 pm

Kimmi-Chan
hey did anyone notice that every time Bree said, " I can't" or "you can't" the video would cut out? What's up with that?

"And if you don't stop, and you keep doing this, I can't..."

"Okay, there are pictures of you on Lucy's computer and I don't know why, but you can't..."

the picture in the background of the three men is still blacked out. huh, I wonder why.

"He doesn't know who he's dealing with. we take these ceremonies very seroiusly."

You have a good point there.. It feels to me that she wanted to appear calmed and in control of herself and that she edited those parts where she got emotionally involved.. She tries to keep her cool but still some emotions get through.. You can tell when her voice sounds broken it feels like she could start crying any second.. And then she appears again controlling herself.. It feels forced.. It gives me the impression she is hurt beyond anyone's imagination.. Or that maybe she has enough with something else to deal with this in her soft tender way.

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:28 pm

Magic nowadays is perfomed generally by rich people who "orders" a ceremony with a purpose like proctecting bussinesses, their wealth, their power or to achieve higher suceess.

I agree with a lot of what you said in your post..except the above quote. Magic is performed by pagans of every walk of life every day for everything from helping themselves get a parking place to healing spells. I do magic on a regular basis, and I guarantee that I am, unfortunately, not rich.

There are as many self-proclaimed Wiccans in the United States as there are fire fighters. And they are making magic every day. And that's just the Wiccans, not counting all the other witches and pagans who practice magic as well (which not all do I).

Hannahbee · Post by **Hannahbee** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:35 pm

rodrigogar wrote:LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!! LIGHTSWITCH!!

JUST KIDDING , i had to do it

no, no... i understand. i brought it upon myself

i realized i came off kinda pissy in that last post after i wrote it, at which point i didn't really feel like editing it.

BrokenKid, you crack me up too. "Daniel's trying to turn bree on." LOL

Post by **Broken Kid** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:38 pm

rachelalexis wrote:
I love that I can count on you to stick a little Owen into each post.

Wait...maybe this belongs in the party thread...
*sputters* why, I never... our little coquette is being bad on other threads... *mumblemumblepunishmentmumble*

Way to keep our girl in line, RaeRae.

Hannahbee · Post by **Hannahbee** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:44 pm

ok i just went back and looked cuz that purple runner under the crowley shrine looked new to me- the first video i think i can see it in is "the ceremony is tomorrow!" it may be there before then but it def. hasn't always been there. it's probably nothing but i thought i'd just get that out there- maybe somebody with some better skillz than me can go back and see when it appeared for sure--- if you think it's even worth it.

discuss:

Joss · Post by **Joss** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:45 pm

I think I had the image of a major ceremony in my head and forgot about the every day life.. I was thinking about the big time kind of ceremony I got the impression Bree was in.

Annabelle · Post by **Annabelle** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:05 pm

Okay, I'm too lazy to read fifteen pages of this forum... What's the consensus? What do you all think is up?

And what's the general opinion on the nail polish? Obviously it's supposed to be a sign she's growing up, or is seeing herself as more mature and grownup... don't you think? Maybe playing into the whole 'womanhood' thing....

Let's hear it! What do you all think is going on now??

cimaruta · Post by **cimaruta** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:07 pm

Joss wrote:I think I had the image of a major ceremony in my head and forgot about the every day life.. I was thinking about the big time kind of ceremony I got the impression Bree was in.

Yeah, I knee-jerked a bit when I read that quote. Silvermoon is right, in that magic is done by all sorts of people for all manner of things.

However, I assumed you were speaking of high magic (ceremonial magic) rather than the low magic that is used on a daily basis.

I got what you were saying, but it took a second.

EDIT: oh, and I really dug your post. Welcome!

cissmiace · Post by **cissmiace** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:15 pm

spaciegirl wrote:
Way2Curious wrote:The first thing that hit me, is that she seems more worried about him, than mad. The "You don't know who you are dealing with line", sounded a little creepy. But I guess it could have just meant that they would call the cops, not chop him into little bits....lol
Totally....except I don't think a group as secretive as they are is going to go explaining this whole situation to law enforcement officials..not that they're doing anything illegal per se..but come on, they're cops.

yeah, but theres also the possibility that someone in the group could be a cop. They have to have day jobs xD
I guess that would open up a whole new line of conspiracy if there were people of law enforcement / people in high places involved, like being able to cover up anything that happens to anyone, if that made sense...and sorry if its been mentioned before...im tired xD

daman000011 · Post by **daman000011** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:15 pm

Hate to tell ya guys, but they really didn't give us any clues that could even remotley tell us what will be happening next. light switched, open boxes, new make up painted nails, and a messy room may all be clues but none of them really give us anything to go on like some of the other cluse we have gotten

Lonelygirl15

0053 Daniel, Be Careful... [10/17/06]

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