0071 Motel Pool [11/11/06]

[lonelygirl]

Okay, haven't posted in a while, but here's what they need to do (not necessarily in this order):

-draft a letter to the police explaining the situation as rationally as possible. Won't give away their location if they just send it from a random city mailbox; might get the police's attention, and will serve as some sort of validation later should they *have* to go to the police or if something really bad happens.

-get in touch with Gemma, not by means of a viewable to all vlog -- is there some way to privately message her on youtube (not a big youtube person)? -- so that they can pump her for information on WHY (as someone else pointed out) Bree is so important. I guess it would be hard to advance the story this way and have us see what's going on, though .

i think someone already pointed this out in an earlier post but they have no evidence to back up what they're saying. what are they going to put in the letter? i think this happened to my parents and i think this and that but where is the evidence? the police isn't going to believe that.
My $.02.

[lonelygirl]

Me too, Spacie, me too. By the way if I ever saw a 17 year old girl hangin out by the hotel pool with her little hairy friends, I'd probably smack her in the face.

Yeah...I'd love to, infact.
I knew I'd take some crap for the damn animals. Ok, in a "vlog" and theoretically/psychologically etc, I understand the stupid little things' importance, but if you were rushing in and out of your house after you just saw your parents being hauled off by a bunch of wackos...and you're throwing some clothes in a bag, trying to make sure you're not forgeting anything...and you're in a panic, you're worried, a lot of stuff is going through your mind etc., are you really gonna bring all your plushies with you?
edit- It's not really something I want to go back and forth on. I hate them. I'm sorry, but I do. Their presence is extremely annoying to me.

that's basically like saying you would leave your dog or other pets behind. for some people, their pets mean a lot to them. with bree, her stuffed animals mean a lot to her. too bad you're too close-minded to get that and accept that some people are different and have different personalities. bree may have been brainwashed by whatever org she's in but you've been brainwashed by our messed up society.

Using great restraint I say to you:
Stuffed animals are not the same as dogs or other pets..they are stuffed pieces of fabric. I know that her stuffed animals are symbolic. I said that I understand their importance..but I still think that when you are in the midst of a crisis situation where you're very raw..very alive, very human, things like stuffed animals are not so important anymore. I just don't find it realistic that she would grab them. I realize that you have a different opinion, just like I realize that people have different personalities. I still think it's unrealistic. I still hate the stupid things. Get a grip. Don't tell me my mind is closed becuase I think her stuffed animals are annoying... that's just silly.

no, i think you're close-minded b/c you can't see how important they are to her. i never said dogs and stuffed animals are the same, but to her, she sees her stuffed animals almost as people so then they are very important to her. who cares if they're not important to you. are you in the video? geez, you're an idiot and that's an understatement. what part of that don't you understand? how do you put 2 and 2 together?

[jub976]

here's a thought: is it possible that the 1998 Alaska olympics thing is referring to some lattitude/longitude coordinates? I don't know how to look up something like that, but maybe somebody else does.

[Languorous Lass]

Stuffed animals are not the same as dogs or other pets..they are stuffed pieces of fabric. I know that her stuffed animals are symbolic. I said that I understand their importance..but I still think that when you are in the midst of a crisis situation where you're very raw..very alive, very human, things like stuffed animals are not so important anymore. I just don't find it realistic that she would grab them. I realize that you have a different opinion, just like I realize that people have different personalities. I still think it's unrealistic. I still hate the stupid things. Get a grip. Don't tell me my mind is closed becuase I think her stuffed animals are annoying... that's just silly.

I think the stuffed animals are annoying, too, spacie. And I'm even more annoyed by the people on these boards who are huge fans of the damn animals. Vomit.

I do think, though, that given what we've seen of Bree, it's completely realistic that she would grab the animals. She has a stuffed-animal-lover's personality. Like some people on the boards have mentioned, her entire world is falling apart. Her religion (or what she's always thought of as her religion) is betraying her, her parents have disappeared, and her own home -- even the bedroom that she loves -- isn't safe anymore. She's doing some serious regression to a childish state (even more childish than usual), and in that state, her stuffed animals are going to be a comfort to her.

If I saw a 17-year-old girl by a motel pool with a bunch of stuffed animals, I wouldn't smack her, but I'd do some serious eyeball-rolling. Nonetheless, I think this particular 17-year-old girl would drag her damn animals to the pool in these circumstances.

geez, you're an idiot and that's an understatement. what part of that don't you understand? how do you put 2 and 2 together?

lonelygirl, please chill. There's no need to escalate the situation.

[TheFatLady]

here's a thought: is it possible that the 1998 Alaska olympics thing is referring to some lattitude/longitude coordinates? I don't know how to look up something like that, but maybe somebody else does.

Good thought. The coordinates for the U of A museum, which is about a mile from the building where they hold the Olympics, are:

Latitude: 64.856531
Longitude: -147.877198

Does that mean anything to anyone? I'm at a loss.

[spaciegirlreturn]

no, i think you're close-minded b/c you can't see how important they are to her. i never said dogs and stuffed animals are the same, but to her, she sees her stuffed animals almost as people so then they are very important to her. who cares if they're not important to you. are you in the video? geez, you're an idiot and that's an understatement. what part of that don't you understand? how do you put 2 and 2 together?

I do see how they are important to her. I've said that twice, and I also gave you my reasoning for why it doesn't make sense to me that she would take them with her. Excuse me for not being in agreement with you. And I also never said that anyone should care if they are important to me....and I'm pretty aware that I'm not in the video, thanks. I think I'm allowed to state that I hate the stuffed animals just as much as other people are allowed to state that they love them. I'm not calling you an idiot for thinking that they are important enough to take along even though I disagree with you....or even for making judgements about me/ my intelligence....or for the fact that you can't see that I've just told you how I put "2 and 2 together". What the fu*k is your problem?

[omegawoman]

I have been doing alot of reseach on Thelema and Alaska. Thelema seems to have a large following there. There is even a Thelemic Monastary I think in Anchorage.

I googled Alaska and Thelema, but to be honest I could probable google Thelema and any other state and also find a lot of pages to scan through.

There is also a place in Alaska called Thelema Abbey.

I also found a rock group called Thelema that is from Alaska.

Sorry I don't have the links, I did this late last night, or you could say early morning. I will research more later for right now I am only checking the boards from time to time in between housework.

[TheFatLady]

no, i think you're close-minded b/c you can't see how important they are to her. i never said dogs and stuffed animals are the same, but to her, she sees her stuffed animals almost as people so then they are very important to her. who cares if they're not important to you. are you in the video? geez, you're an idiot and that's an understatement. what part of that don't you understand? how do you put 2 and 2 together?

I do see how they are important to her. I've said that twice, and I also gave you my reasoning for why it doesn't make sense to me that she would take them with her. Excuse me for not being in agreement with you. And I also never said that anyone should care if they are important to me....and I'm pretty aware that I'm not in the video, thanks. I think I'm allowed to state that I hate the stuffed animals just as much as other people are allowed to state that they love them. I'm not calling you an idiot for thinking that they are important enough to take along even though I disagree with you....or even for making judgements about me/ my intelligence....or for the fact that you can't see that I've just told you how I put "2 and 2 together". What the fu*k is your problem?

Wow. I've always thought Broken Kid was kind of cute for his humorous championing of a stuffed toy. I thought everyone else who acted all urgent about Owen's whereabouts was also joking; I'm just astonished--in an eye-rolling sort of way--to find out that some people, apparently, are not joking.

But, uh, can we get back to more relevant matters?

[Languorous Lass]

I have been doing alot of reseach on Thelema and Alaska. Thelema seems to have a large following there. There is even a Thelemic Monastary I think in Anchorage.

I googled Alaska and Thelema, but to be honest I could probable google Thelema and any other state and also find a lot of pages to scan through.

There is also a place in Alaska called Thelema Abbey.

I also found a rock group called Thelema that is from Alaska.

Sorry I don't have the links, I did this late last night, or you could say early morning. I will research more later for right now I am only checking the boards from time to time in between housework.

Interesting stuff, omegawoman. Thanks for posting.

[spaciegirlreturn]

I think the stuffed animals are annoying, too, spacie. And I'm even more annoyed by the people on these boards who are huge fans of the damn animals. Vomit.

See, maybe the reason I feel the need to state that I hate them is because I have been on the verge of a major puke-fest many times listening to people go on and on about them..I'm glad some people share my same reaction.
I can also appreciate why people are of the opinion that it makes sense that she would take them with her. I understand the reasoning...I'm just not fully buying it. That's just me. No big whoop, ya know? It's not gonna change anything. She still took them. Oh well.
(I must admit, secretely, I'm thinking she took them becuase the creators know that many people are obsessed with them. That is irritating.)

[Languorous Lass]

(I must admit, secretely, I'm thinking she took them becuase the creators know that many people are obsessed with them. That is irritating.)

Oh, cripes, I hope not. The idea would cause me physical pain.

[spaciegirlreturn]

But, uh, can we get back to more relevant matters?

You're right. I just have this crazy habit of getting testy when someone calls me an idiot..and then say's that it's an understatement.

Omegawoman, that is interesting about Alaska..I wonder if any of that will be what turns out to be significant. I have to say, I wish we would get some confirmation on our research from time to time. It seems that not much has really been verified..clue wise. Everything is sort of piling up at this point.

[Languorous Lass]

I have to say, I wish we would get some confirmation on our research from time to time. It seems that not much has really been verified..clue wise. Everything is sort of piling up at this point.

Guess I'm kinda pitiful, but whenever a video gets posted that doesn't completely contradict one of my theories, I'm satisfied.

[spaciegirlreturn]

Guess I'm kinda pitiful, but whenever a video gets posted that doesn't completely contradict one of my theories, I'm satisfied.

lol. I think that's normal human nature for ya. Personally, I'm done putting a lot of effort into theorizing and researching because of the lack of gratification. Hopefully, one day, there will be a pay-off for everyone, but I'm just not persistant enough for that kind of thing. I want my treat now, damn it!!

[robtomorrow]

It's kind of like the Freemasons. There's a case in the early 1800s in the U.S. where a man was bailed out of jail and then murdered. He was originally in jail for some small debt, but really what he was trying to do was to expose the secrets of Freemasonry, since he had once been a member himself, but felt he was treated unfairly. Eventually, 4 men (Freemasons) were found guilty of the crime, and taken to court, where the judge himself was a Freemason. Even with loads of evidence, only two were found guilty, and only had to serve about 1 year in jail.

That's probably some made-up anti-Mason propaganda. Contrary to popular belief, the secrets of Freemasonry aren't that big of a deal. They're just signs, handshakes, and passwords. If you want to learn them, plenty of people have written exposés of the order. The main reason for the secrets is to teach the lessons of trustworthiness and faithfulness. If you are good to your word, you will keep the secrets. They're certainly nothing to kill over.

Masons are under no obligation to conceal a murder nor allow someone to get away with one. Your story exhibits major un-Masonic conduct from all supposed Masons involved. If your story is in fact true, the Masons involved committed significant violations of their obligations and their actions are by no means a reflection of the order.

That may be true today, but in the 1800's Freemasonry was much more influential, and Freemasons took there vow of secrecy seriously, with the punishment for breaking the vow being death, and the secrets were NOT just handshakes and passwords, they were mystical revelations, at least in their belief.

But I do agree that the idea that in today's world a secret society would yield that much influence is stretching the imagination. But if Bree believes it, then it still makes sense to the plot.

On the other hand there is the Bohemian Grove
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
but whether that qualifies as a secret society I'm not sure.