A Watcher (11/17/06)

[trainer101]

Has anyone noticed that on this site, each of the videos has a different URL (duh, but I actually have a point...) They go up in numerical order, but with a minor discrepency here and there. This is video 78, so why is it 111 in the URL? Every few videos there is a skip in the URL numbers! I only noticed this in the last two weeks or so, but the spaces could be a "guarantee" that the creators can upload currently non-canon vids that turn out to be cannon in order as they happened. And also, Gemma was not immediately made cannon, she put out two videos before the creators acknowledged her.

True, but we suspected Gemma might be canon early on because we found her real myspace before she set it to private. It had pictures of her and Jessica Rose together.

[DontHaveAClue]

I told you. Gemma is here to address all the questions we raise on this board!

[iamcool]

Has anyone noticed that on this site, each of the videos has a different URL (duh, but I actually have a point...) They go up in numerical order, but with a minor discrepency here and there. This is video 78, so why is it 111 in the URL? Every few videos there is a skip in the URL numbers! I only noticed this in the last two weeks or so, but the spaces could be a "guarantee" that the creators can upload currently non-canon vids that turn out to be cannon in order as they happened. And also, Gemma was not immediately made cannon, she put out two videos before the creators acknowledged her.

True, but we suspected Gemma might be canon early on because we found her real myspace before she set it to private. It had pictures of her and Jessica Rose together.

i'm on gemmas frend list

[iqfrenzy]

With all they have going on with LG itself, is it really possible that the Creators are directly behind making OpAphid and now it seems NikkiBower as well? It seems kind of crazy that they could do ALL of that, though perhaps they have subcontracted to others?

I have always thought that OpAphid was canon. And if Nikki Bower is canon, then so is CiW i.e. "come and get it".

[trainer101]

With all they have going on with LG itself, is it really possible that the Creators are directly behind making OpAphid and now it seems NikkiBower as well? It seems kind of crazy that they could do ALL of that, though perhaps they have subcontracted to others?

I have always thought that OpAphid was canon. And if Nikki Bower is canon, then so is CiW i.e. "come and get it".

I guess it depends how you want to define "canon". I think canon means it's been accepted into the storyline whether or not it came from the Creators. So far, the only one disavowed has been CiW - only because it got too dark for the Creators liking.

That means you, me, anyone can be "canon" if the contribution is significant enough. (Though it seems that posting vlogs increases the chances)

[Icaterus]

With all they have going on with LG itself, is it really possible that the Creators are directly behind making OpAphid and now it seems NikkiBower as well? It seems kind of crazy that they could do ALL of that, though perhaps they have subcontracted to others?

I have always thought that OpAphid was canon. And if Nikki Bower is canon, then so is CiW i.e. "come and get it".

I guess it depends how you want to define "canon". I think canon means it's been accepted into the storyline whether or not it came from the Creators. So far, the only one disavowed has been CiW - only because it got too dark for the Creators liking.

That means you, me, anyone can be "canon" if the contribution is significant enough. (Though it seems that posting vlogs increases the chances)

Well heres the wikipedia definition of canon. One thing it says is "...considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe." We're all arguing over NikkiBower etc so I guess that means it's not canon... It's more something like apocrypha. Which is kind of a weird term but is closer what the big spin-offs are.

And HyeMew yea I think the creator's most likely have some involvment with OpAphid and NikkiBower. They're probably not actually making them, but I think they're still involved. But I also think they're never going to tell us because it'll ruin the fun

[trainer101]

With all they have going on with LG itself, is it really possible that the Creators are directly behind making OpAphid and now it seems NikkiBower as well? It seems kind of crazy that they could do ALL of that, though perhaps they have subcontracted to others?

I have always thought that OpAphid was canon. And if Nikki Bower is canon, then so is CiW i.e. "come and get it".

I guess it depends how you want to define "canon". I think canon means it's been accepted into the storyline whether or not it came from the Creators. So far, the only one disavowed has been CiW - only because it got too dark for the Creators liking.

That means you, me, anyone can be "canon" if the contribution is significant enough. (Though it seems that posting vlogs increases the chances)

Well heres the wikipedia definition of canon. One thing it says is "...considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe." We're all arguing over NikkiBower etc so I guess that means it's not canon... It's more something like apocrypha. Which is kind of a weird term but is closer what the big spin-offs are.

And HyeMew yea I think the creator's most likely have some involvment with OpAphid and NikkiBower. They're probably not actually making them, but I think they're still involved. But I also think they're never going to tell us because it'll ruin the fun

I agree that they will never tell us. Primarily because they want to encourage interaction.
Also from Wiki: "The boundaries between canon, and apocrypha can often be blurred."

[iqfrenzy]

Has anyone noticed that on this site, each of the videos has a different URL (duh, but I actually have a point...) They go up in numerical order, but with a minor discrepency here and there. This is video 78, so why is it 111 in the URL? Every few videos there is a skip in the URL numbers! I only noticed this in the last two weeks or so, but the spaces could be a "guarantee" that the creators can upload currently non-canon vids that turn out to be cannon in order as they happened. And also, Gemma was not immediately made cannon, she put out two videos before the creators acknowledged her.

This is a very overlooked and ingenious comment. In fact, I've been looking for it. Take this into consideration with the Nightline interview, and this may be where the "new" characters are coming from.

[Killthesmiley]

ok i don't know if anyone noticed this or not.
But Gemma wasn't saying that she saw the eye on the watcher...
she said that in the book there is a picture of symbols on a persons body. And on the specific spot there is that symbol.

SHe didn't say that she saw that symbol on that person.

[iqfrenzy]

ok i don't know if anyone noticed this or not.
But Gemma wasn't saying that she saw the eye on the watcher...
she said that in the book there is a picture of symbols on a persons body. And on the specific spot there is that symbol.

SHe didn't say that she saw that symbol on that person.

Very astute, Kelly. Good job!

[iqfrenzy]

Well heres the wikipedia definition of canon. One thing it says is "...considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe." We're all arguing over NikkiBower etc so I guess that means it's not canon... It's more something like apocrypha. Which is kind of a weird term but is closer what the big spin-offs are.

Very good point, Icaterus.

[thinkitthrough]

I was told from reliable sources that they wish to do this indefinitely if at all possible.

For the love of god, WHO????? Who told you that? That's the efiin' question I've been asking and no one has an answer!! Don't say "reliable sources"...are you like Nikki?? WHO??

I'd be curious to hear more from those of you who think that the people in suits/watchers are not there to abduct Bree, but are waiting for her to come to a decision (apparently) freely. Were you referring specifically to her decision to participate in the ceremony?

Not neccessarily....well, kind of. I think that when contact is made between her and them, they are going to manipulate her or trick her into doing what they want. I think it's more ideal, for all involved, if she "willingly" cooperates. Even if they have to bribe her...or blackmail her, they want her to think she has some power so that she'll be willing to negotiate with them. I think that if she is uncompromising and resistant, it's going to be messy for everyone...and they'd rather not have things escalate to that point.

Spacie I was actually quoting Jacks and Douches on page thirteen and it came up like I wrote it... I must have cut out the end quote part. So ask him I was making a joke at the end of the comment, plus I am not very good at keeping secrets or am I. muwahahaha (suppost to be scary laugh)

[thinkitthrough]

With all they have going on with LG itself, is it really possible that the Creators are directly behind making OpAphid and now it seems NikkiBower as well? It seems kind of crazy that they could do ALL of that, though perhaps they have subcontracted to others?

I have always thought that OpAphid was canon. And if Nikki Bower is canon, then so is CiW i.e. "come and get it".

I guess it depends how you want to define "canon". I think canon means it's been accepted into the storyline whether or not it came from the Creators. So far, the only one disavowed has been CiW - only because it got too dark for the Creators liking.

That means you, me, anyone can be "canon" if the contribution is significant enough. (Though it seems that posting vlogs increases the chances)

Well heres the wikipedia definition of canon. One thing it says is "...considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe." We're all arguing over NikkiBower etc so I guess that means it's not canon... It's more something like apocrypha. Which is kind of a weird term but is closer what the big spin-offs are.

And HyeMew yea I think the creator's most likely have some involvment with OpAphid and NikkiBower. They're probably not actually making them, but I think they're still involved. But I also think they're never going to tell us because it'll ruin the fun

I agree that they will never tell us. Primarily because they want to encourage interaction.
Also from Wiki: "The boundaries between canon, and apocrypha can often be blurred."

Except for the dates in which they were actually written? Correct me if I am wrong

[Killthesmiley]

ok i don't know if anyone noticed this or not.
But Gemma wasn't saying that she saw the eye on the watcher...
she said that in the book there is a picture of symbols on a persons body. And on the specific spot there is that symbol.

SHe didn't say that she saw that symbol on that person.

Very astute, Kelly. Good job!

hehe thanks for noticing me
I've been watching those two videos ("The Watcher" and "Fleeing The Watcher") a lot. There are a lot of things in them that i think we are missing...

either way I know we were trying to figure out how she coul have seen it, then i just listened, instead of watching, the video. I was shocked at what i heard! Because I too thought she said I saw this on his hand.
I think that is the key to gemma's videos. We have to listen to the audio. Not watch it. Listen first, Watch second.