0086 Trust Issues [11.29.2006] Jonas canon vid

Maccaboy17 · Post by **Maccaboy17** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:37 pm

Ok can i just say i've come up with a theory based on something someone sasid a few pages back about hte charactors names having biblical significance and has led me to fornulate a possible future outcomes, but just for the record i'm not enitrly sure i want my predictions to come true as i dont like Jonas (not because he's annoyingly goodlooking, he actually looks like a friend of mine so i have to forgive him that) and i really want a danile video of him haivng stormed out and talking aobut all the pressure but ending saying its worth it for bree (some of you might have noticed i've been banging on about it since silent treatment)

andy way here is my biblical names theory:

Daniel: prophesied the fall of a great empire, had the gift of foresight and imperial favourite was forced to the sidelines put through difficult tries the returned to prominence, he was also an exile form his own land
Jonah/Jonas: famous for being swallowed by a whale, name used as a by-word for someone who bring bad luck, was sent as a profit ‘Get yee to Nineveh and cry out against that wicked city’ and eventually saved the wicked city from the wrath of God

Daniel has the favour of Bree (the empire) was forced to the sidelines (by Lucy) and suffered trials (hiding out) was returned to Brees favour and is at present exiled

Jonas on the other hand isn’t quite so simple we have the connection with sailing but that doesn’t tell us much. Jonah was a profit sent by God to help Nineveh, this could mean Jonas was sent by the order to get Bree back into the fold (or is it Daniel?) or it means he’s there to help Bree (he seemed somewhat reluctant to become involved until he realised he already was in the same way Jonah tried to avoid going to Nineveh) and save the world from the order.

Jonah could be bad though because a Jonah is a curse of bad luck and he could be the bad luck that falls on Bree and Daniel (one might even call him a lion to kill Daniel to keep the references going)

If we stick to being biblical as it has been speculated is the point of the names I would suggest that it means Jonas is a good guy sent to help bring down the order and this would tie in nicely with Daniel, the prophet Daniel fore tolled the fall of Babylon and our Daniel was the first one to say the Order was wrong and that Bree should get out.

Just a PS I’m not religious and haven done a tone of research so my facts might be wrong I’m working of 5/6 year old memories and trying ot fit them into a theory

khjq · Post by **khjq** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:57 pm

hmm...speaking of biblical names, the name goliath is one of the tags on this video on YT...

Maccaboy17 · Post by **Maccaboy17** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:05 pm

khjq wrote:hmm...speaking of biblical names, the name goliath is one of the tags on this video on YT...

oh yeah because of the rollercoster

maybe, a refference to the order apparently big and strong brought down by somthing small (bree perhaps)

just another theory based on all the biblical references

jub976 · Post by **jub976** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:24 pm

here are my thoughts - i haven't seen anyone talk about this exactly but i may have missed it. there are a lot of comments!

it doesn't seem to me that out of all our characters they can all be "good." someone is going to turn out to be the bad guy. assuming that bree is good it's going to have to be daniel, gemma or jonas. i'm leaning towards either gemma or jonas just because among the viewers there are definitely mixed feelings. some people love gemma or jonas and some people really hate them and get an "up to no good" feeling from their videos.

my other thought is from someone's post about the names being biblical. daniel and jonas are biblical. is gemma? if not this could be a clue: good characters have biblical names, bad don't.

basically it just would seem too easy if everyone was just trying to help bree and watching out for her and in the end they're all just a big happy family of video bloggers, ya know?

edit: oh, i forgot, i also wanted to say that i find jonas to be really charismatic and i really WANT to trust him but that makes me nervous - like how the devil is often portrayed as a really charismatic, slick, funny, friendly guy.

Maccaboy17 · Post by **Maccaboy17** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:41 pm

jub976 wrote:
my other thought is from someone's post about the names being biblical. daniel and jonas are biblical. is gemma? if not this could be a clue: good characters have biblical names, bad don't.

basically it just would seem too easy if everyone was just trying to help bree and watching out for her and in the end they're all just a big happy family of video bloggers, ya know?

the point i was making about the biblical names was that it means daniel must be good, but using the bible for jonas is a two edged sword it just offers two explanations of him one as a savior for bree one as the agent to destroy her

besides lucy was a biblical reference (lucifer) and she was by almost universal concensus a badie so biblical dosent mean good or bad its how you interet the biblical reverence

if jonas is good he and daniel are destined to bringdown the order

i cant think of a gemma using the bible,
unless and this is a long shot it might be genisis the first book of the bible ie creation, which meats she is the fure what is created afer the order falls, but i find it unlikely unlesss you interret creation as she made a new life post order
genisis is unlikely but its all i can think of

LadyBugGirl · Post by **LadyBugGirl** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:10 pm

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I don't really trust Jonas either. When he's talking about this huge house he's living in all alone and how much money he has etc to lure them there, I get this picture in my head of the place being the Order's main headquaters or something. Just because Jonas says he's there all alone doesn't mean he really is.

If this was real life I would tell Bree and Daniel (who we need to see more of btw) to steer clear of Jonas AND Gemma because I don't trust either one.

But...since this isn't real, I hope they do go there and something major happens. (I just hope it isn't a love affair between Bree and Jonas because 1. I think if anyone should be a love interest it's Daniel and 2. we need some action already!)

Technomaly · Post by **Technomaly** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:51 pm

Boxing gloves on the shelf behind his head. Maybe that's what the trophies are for.

Jonas is such a dork.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:53 pm

Also, there was speculation about eyes, and using them as clues into a character's true intentions. In the Plot Discussion forum there is a thread called Gemma's eyes. I noted that Jonas has blue eyes too.

Jonas does seem strangely eager to help Bree. This might not necessarily indicate that he is in the Order or that he is horribly malicious. He may just be a horny boy who wants to get laid.

edit: to add to that, maybe a love affair wouldn't be that bad. It might just help to push Daniel to try harder for Bree. And then Bree will realize he's in love with her and they'll mount his white stallion and gallop into the sunset. *AWWW* but yeah, that's my point.

trainer101 · Post by **trainer101** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:56 pm

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:Also, there was speculation about eyes, and using them as clues into a character's true intentions. In the Plot Discussion forum there is a thread called Gemma's eyes. I noted that Jonas has blue eyes too.

Jonas does seem strangely eager to help Bree. This might not necessarily indicate that he is in the Order or that he is horribly malicious. He may just be a horny boy who wants to get laid.

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trunbuns · Post by **trunbuns** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:05 pm

inigo wrote:It doesn't make any sense to go crash at Jonas' when he is one of the newer "fans" and no one really knows much about him.

Yeah I posted about this before somewhere. I think it would have been better if they had incorparated him into the forums somewhat first, and waited a few more vids before he directly adressed Bree. It was also really easy to spot he was cannon.

Having said that I'm coming round to him. At first I thought he was simply eye-candy for the ladies on here, but he actually seems like quite a good actor. I also think he could really add stuff to the story (onlike Gemma, whose story seems to have burned out somewhat), it would also be pretty cool to see Bree and Daniel mooch about that hefty house of Jonas'. I really hope he's a bad guy and that we will have to find clues in the video to prove to Bree that this is the case.

At first I thought a love triangle would be a bad idea but now I feel different. I think it would be good if Bree did start to fall for for a good looking, charming (yet secretly evil) Jonas who would try to manipulate her. But if Daniel got frustrated and could see through his act she would put it down to jealousy, and Daniel would have to prove her wrong (with our help) and we could see some more super sluething from him, which would also give him more screen time.

Seriously this whole big empty house deal offers quite a lot of scope as would Jonas being evil (every good story needs a charming yet mysterious bad guy!) and I hope the creators take something like this route.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:18 pm

Maccaboy17 wrote:the point i was making about the biblical names was that it means daniel must be good, but using the bible for jonas is a two edged sword it just offers two explanations of him one as a savior for bree one as the agent to destroy her

besides lucy was a biblical reference (lucifer) and she was by almost universal concensus a badie so biblical dosent mean good or bad its how you interet the biblical reverence

All that seems like a bit of a stretch to me. For one thing, "Lucifer" is just a word that means "light bearer/bringer" -- an antiquated term for the planet Venus (the "morning star"). In the Bible, it was just used as a metaphor for Babylon's prophecied downfall (with the analogy especially applying to the nation's ruler(s); most likely Nebuchadnezzar). It's not a Biblical name at all.

Also, I've not been convinced yet by the "Gabriel" = "Bree" theories. That's kind of grasping right there. Especially since "Gemma" has no obvious connection that anyone's figured out yet (not even one with a similar pronounciation like Gabriel).

So, really, all we have is "Daniel" and "Jonas/Jonah." I'd agree that the Jonah connection has come on kind of strong so far with all this sailing stuff and the storm reference, but that's only one thing so far, and for a single character. Even the "he might be a savior or he might be a curse" stuff is only something we can mention because right now we're speculating. It just seems a little bit of a stretch to make all these really loose connections to me.

If we find out that the Order thinks Bree's going to metaphorically blow some horn that signals the end of the world, though, that might be something to go on... but even then, I don't think Matthew, 1 Thessalonians, Revelation -- or anywhere else that speaks of an end times occurrence involving a trumpet or horn -- ever identified any of those angels as Gabriel.

That said, Gabriel is identified as the angel who told Mary she'd conceive Christ. But, still, connecting the "bri" part to "Bree" seems like a stretch. Unless the theories that Bree's supposed to have some child the Order wants is true.

Which reminds me of something I mentioned in another thread: what if the Order wants Bree to procreate with Jonas, and they took her and Daniel's money so that she might be more willing to go to his place? Jonas might be as special to them as her (it's obvious that they want her specifically), only he's willingly going along with their plans. Perhaps they wanted specifically those two to create some special kid. So the plan might be to try getting Bree to think "This cute guy is offering me money and a place to stay now that I'm broke" -- and then try getting her to fulfill their plans without even realizing she's doing so.

Of course, Daniel will save the day. He'd better at least, or that would suck -- especially for him.

trunbuns · Post by **trunbuns** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:21 pm

laurenesque wrote:Jonas cursed. LG15 is no longer family friendly. Hahaha.

Really? When? Not unless you count 'badass' as cursing. It might be in america, but it isn't really in britain.

Oh and Bree has dropped the F-bomb before so the creators obviously aren't too worried about cursing! I tend to think of this thing as wavering between pg 13 and 15 age classification (does that corralate to american ratings? I dont know) and i also think that to make jonas believable as the skating, boxing uber-cool kid he's supposed to be he has to use words like badass.

lonelygirl · Post by **lonelygirl** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:41 pm

I am so glad to see they are posting Jonas videos here so I don't have to watch it at youtube. I hope Bree and Daniel end up crashing at his place. They must be pretty desperate now and Jonas seems like a friendly guy. He doesn't seem to have a hidden agenda.

ElectricEye · Post by **ElectricEye** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:46 pm

One thing I do dig about Jonas is the boxing thing. Boxing is an neglated sport. Really fun. I did it for five years before I had to stop(a few concussions.) Still dont trust him, but the boxing thing is awsome.

lonelygirl · Post by **lonelygirl** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:52 pm

yep that second image is an Ankh. I thought it looked like a book with the cover facing out with a picture of an ankh on the cover. But looking at it again I think it does look more like a vase.

people who thought that's a book needs to get their head examined. would zooming in on his books even be useful b/c it's basically a library and more of his parent's than his so i don't think there's much significance in that.