Lonelygirl15

Broken Kid wrote:That's a good point. And in the end, isn't LG15 really the story of a typical teen girl with some rather unusual situation (ie her religion)? I think that's what the Creators are trying to keep to...

One thing that bothered me was her reaction to the last Daniel video..... just a comment, on the end of her video....

If I found out that one of my friends stalked me, TAPED IT and posted it for the whole world to see, I would at the very least FLIP THE SHIT OUT!

But Bree is probably just more "zen" then me.

vertigo wrote:One thing that bothered me was her reaction to the last Daniel video..... just a comment, on the end of her video....

I think that last part was put in because of us pointing out how creepy it is! Some people have said it's human nature for him to go to her house, and he was probably going to just talk (did he say that? I think so...). Maybe the Creators didn't realize how creepy and stalkerish it looked, so they put that in when we pointed it out! Or it could be a way to push Daniel away even more...

I agree, I would to the same thing if I had a fight with a friend.... I just wouldn't tape it. And then post it on youtube.
I would just try to talk to my friend.

But then again, we would never know about Bree's "coach" had Daniel not taped them. I understand that they can't behave exacly as normal people would, or we would be left out of a lot of things.

Still I think Bree was way too calm about it!

My vote on why they brought up cassie--- i think they were trying to claim that ciw is NOT cassie from the lg15 universe. simply "couldn't be the same girl, OUR cassie is not part of bree's religion"

EDIT: sorry, i meant that it should disuade people who believe that cassie was previously in the role that Bree is now assuming


on why she brought up his post at the end of her video: she told us a while ago that their only form of communication was thru youtube (of course, if you can do youtube, you could certainly send an email, but i guess not in the world of bree)

There was never any reason to suspect that Cassie was a part of Bree's religion. In fact, there was every reason to suspect otherwise. Cassie's communications are full of biblical allusions, while Bree's communications allude to the occult.

Cassie would have been freaked out by Bree's religion. But what happened to Cassie? Did she stop calling because she was freaked out? Or did someone stop her from calling?

Also, "Lucy" means "light" and has the same root as "Lucifer." Bree feels enlightened by her.

Kelrast makes another appearance.

And his comments actually fit rather nicely with what I was saying here:

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewt ... ght=#15885

If we are to get ready for the 1st, we might want to concentrate on how this all fits together. (and it certainly seems from the last video that the story lines are converging)

toadlguy wrote:If we are to get ready for the 1st, we might want to concentrate on how this all fits together. (and it certainly seems from the last video that the story lines are converging)

Seems to me they're diverging. The Helper video seems to discount Cassie's role in the religious aspect of things. Although I agree with your interpretation of cassieiswatching's poem, I think LG15 is separating itself from ciw. I'll be eager to see how ciw tries to make them converge again and reassert herself as the LG15 Cassie.

Broken Kid wrote:[Seems to me they're diverging. The Helper video seems to discount Cassie's role in the religious aspect of things.

I'm confused - in the Helper video Bree says Cassie was freaked out by her religion and shortly thereafter is no longer heard from - how is that diverging from CiW - unless your CiW theory doesn't fit that - I think there are certainly ones that do - like the one I posted and in fact many others.

toadlguy wrote:I'm confused - in the Helper video Bree says Cassie was freaked out by her religion and shortly thereafter is no longer heard from - how is that diverging from CiW - unless your CiW theory doesn't fit that - I think there are certainly ones that do - like the one I posted and in fact many others.

The theories here seemed to postulate that Cassie was involved in the religion, perhaps part of the ceremony in the past, or at least that she knew about the religion and was going to save Bree... My interpretation of the Helper video is that Cassie hung out with Bree, got confused and freaked out by her religion (as Daniel has) and didn't hang out anymore. This seems to position Cassie more as Daniel is positioned (a friend who's confused) but less involved in anything related to her religion. Plus, it was two years ago (or so), so Cassie's involvement seems pretty minimal now.

All my interpretations, of course.

I would agree that cassie was in the same position as Daniel.

My thoughts at this point that maybe Daniel is the one at risk, and the one cassie is trying to save. cassie says that Bree lies, but maybe Bree is just naive. If everyone wants to be dark and think that this is an evil religion, maybe someone in the religion, or Bree's parents, did something to cassie, and now cassie fears for Daniel.

Kelrast wrote:There was never any reason to suspect that Cassie was a part of Bree's religion. In fact, there was every reason to suspect otherwise. Cassie's communications are full of biblical allusions, while Bree's communications allude to the occult.

Cassie would have been freaked out by Bree's religion. But what happened to Cassie? Did she stop calling because she was freaked out? Or did someone stop her from calling?

Also, "Lucy" means "light" and has the same root as "Lucifer." Bree feels enlightened by her.

He's right, at least partially...there is no reason to believe that Cassie was ever a participant in the ritual...I've said this many times, and so have others. If only for the singular reason that we know the ritual hasn't taken place in living memory. That's why it's so demanding on Bree. It's never made sense that Cassie would have lost her life to anything regarding Thelema...Daniel with his apparently warped sense of reality is another matter.

I've never thought that the Cassie we know and follow was ever a condoned branch of the LG15 storyline. It's excecution has been far to spur of the moment to be otherwise. Although I've always espoused that the authors of Cassie had some sort of association with the LG15 crew.

Does that mean it's bunk...not really. We here, have enjoyed it because it's a track that the "creators" should have taken from the beginning, and did imply. It has involved the community in a greater way than the "creators" have tried to implement so far. With that in mind Cassie should take this entire mystery away from the LG15 universe and move into it's own territory. It should have branched off by now and left that storyline behind. It has the potential.

It might still become relevant to LG15 canon...but only time will tell.

Just FYI Kelrast...Occult means "hidden teachings or knowledge" which every religion...especially Christianity is full of...occult does not and has never signified any religion or any specific teachings. Occult deals with what you're not supposed to know according to dogma. It's esoteric, and should be taken as such.

ps: I can't but use sarcasm when speaking of the "creators"...They invite derision by using that term....I'm just say'n...

CU - I think Kelrast was using "occult" in a manner most people recognize it - but should more properly be something like "magik". He was simply differentiating the religions, of which Bree's is still somewhat unknown

In my opinion, Cassie being a non-canon spin-off, they decided to do a take off of all of Bree's stuff by having lots of religious-type clues. However, the creators have now revealed Cassie was not religious, in a sense sinking the Cassie creditability. This could be seen as the Creators striking back at all the cassie spin-offs and their heavily occult natures and pulling the stool out from under them.
Seriously, if Cassie is freaked out by tarot and such, why would she leave clues with those very props? The simple answer is because these Cassies are not from the creators themselves and were just using a motif they wanted us to think was related to Cassie too just because they were related to Bree. It seemed like a pretty obvious thing to do at the time, never thinking that the real Cassie was freaked out by it all.

HyeMew wrote: Seriously, if Cassie is freaked out by tarot and such, why would she leave clues with those very props?

YT Cassie did not leave those props, as far as in-game information is concerned. Most of her clues have been judeo-christian.

Just because we now know that Cassie and Bree are not of the same religion it doesn't debunk the whole thing. There have been several mentions of the possibliity of Cassie being a radical Christian who doesn't agree with Bree's religion and is either angry about it or wants to save her soul.

As far as her being dead... maybe she knew a secret about Bree's religion (did some investigating after talking to Bree about it?) and the leaders had to get rid of her?

I really have no idea whether it's canon or not, but it's interesting and I still think that the two plotlines are not in contradiction with each other yet. Also, Cassie makes obvious references to the LG15 storyline...how do the PMs plan to explain themselves if/when LG does discredit them somehow in the plot? The PMs of Cassie will look like idiots and all of their hard work will be remembered as simply a lie. Seems like they would have saved their asses by limiting their references to Bree and Daniel.

Also, what's with Anchor Cove being so bitter about Cassie? I swear, every thread I read over there disses the official forum for being Cassie obsessed, being "strung-along" by the producers and unintelligent, etc. Bothers me.