0110 "My Dad Said..." [1/5/07]

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

I'm not sure that "adopted" is the right word to be using.

I think it's much more likely that Bree was stolen or engineered or given to them (by a young mother/couple forced to have a child in the commune, for example). I don't think she'd be so angry and upset (and unwilling to talk) if she had just found out she was adopted. I think there is much more to it than that.

thats so much like the giver haha wouldnt that be awesome for the plot?!

I LOVE THE GIVER.

[bethy]

She said that her dad isn't her real dad and her mom isn't her real mom either. So, she's adopted.

Not necesarrily. People have lots of definitions of what "real" parents mean.

Besides...Those were her parents. They raised her. She just has different biological parents. There are lots of possible ways for that to happen. LOTS. They don't all involve adoption.

[spaciegirlreturn]

The blood thing is what I thought a long, long time ago..I'm still thinking so. There's absolutely no other reason "the order" would want her so bad. She obviously can't be replaced, or they would have given up by now. She is unique in some extra-ordinary way. The only thing that could be so unique about her is her blood/genes/DNA.. whatever.

I also think she's about to "run away", but I think it could be psychological / metaphorical.

Maybe she'll hit the sauce.

[bethy]

My husband just watched the video and his first reaction was, "They're not talking about that weird French cult that wants to clone people are they?"

He's talking about the Raelian Movement...and they refer to Creators (Elohim) on their website.

Thisis creepy....funny...but creepy....from their website:

The messages dictated to Rael explain that life on Earth is not the result of random evolution, nor the work of a supernatural 'God'. It is a deliberate creation, using DNA, by a scientifically advanced people who made human beings literally "in their image" -- what one can call "scientific creationism." References to these scientists and their work, as well as to their symbol of infinity, can be found in the ancient texts of many cultures.

ETA: Beckers actually posted the same little excerpt back on December 20th about the infinity symbol. It didn't go anywhere, but I wanted to give credit:
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4292

I know this is weird...but I've always felt that Beckers knows a lot more about the project than the rest of us.

[robtomorrow]

She said that her dad isn't her real dad and her mom isn't her real mom either. So, she's adopted. Some people seem to think that only her dad isn't her real father. As for Jonas being her brother... That would be really stupid. If their is something special about Bree, it being her bloodline or something else, why would they go after Jonas as well? This isn't about not doing the ceremony, so they could just as easily try to go for Jonas, but they don't want him. With that being said, I don't think he's her brother, but the being adopted bit was a good twist.

Some people misheard Bree on first hearing, myself included, that she only said her dad wasn't her real dad, but that has been cleared up, Bree did say that her mom isn't her real mom, but as others have pointed out adoption is not the only possibility, abduction is a second possibility. I agree Bree and Jonas being brother and sister would be a lame direction for it to take.

Bethy,
I like your interpretation, it does fit the story as we know it so far.

I hope they aren't going for either the Da Vinci Code or the Rosemarys Baby story line. I'd be really disappointed, if they plagiarize either.

[onsweetavenue]

I haven't read all of this, but I guess we (probably) know why he said "in memory of bree's dad". Daniel didn't know bree's biological dad's real name.

I also think bree is going to run away.

I want to know about gemma so badly! ahhh.

And is brother her biological brother?

[Luv2Skydive]

My husband just watched the video and his first reaction was, "They're not talking about that weird French cult that wants to clone people are they?"

He's talking about the Raelian Movement...and they refer to Creators (Elohim) on their website.

Thisis creepy....funny...but creepy....from their website:

The messages dictated to Rael explain that life on Earth is not the result of random evolution, nor the work of a supernatural 'God'. It is a deliberate creation, using DNA, by a scientifically advanced people who made human beings literally "in their image" -- what one can call "scientific creationism." References to these scientists and their work, as well as to their symbol of infinity, can be found in the ancient texts of many cultures.

ETA: Beckers actually posted the same little excerpt back on December 20th about the infinity symbol. It didn't go anywhere, but I wanted to give credit:
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4292

I know this is weird...but I've always felt that Beckers knows a lot more about the project than the rest of us.

I have posted lots on this in the Plots area. I typed a lot of info, and provided links as well. In a nutshell, aliens (several different names are given to them) came to earth to harvest gold for their planet, aliens liked us humans, mated, lived amongst us, and want to take over the world via the Illuminati.

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4381

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4315

[christof]

wow!
First, great acting!
Second, did anyone else think of "The Allegory of the Cave"?
idk...first thing that popped in my head

[bethy]

Well, I did a search for Real and Raelians...and the only thing that came up was Becker's posts. My pointing them wasn't about DNA per se...but more of the package as offered by the Raelian movement.

Leaving our humanity to progress by itself, the Elohim nevertheless maintained contact with us via prophets including Buddha, Moses, Mohammed, etc., all specially chosen and educated by them. The role of the prophets was to progressively educate humanity through the Messages they taught, each adapted to the culture and level of understanding at the time. They were also to leave traces of the Elohim so that we would be able to recognize them as our Creators and fellow human beings when we had advanced enough scientifically to understand them. Jesus, whose father was an Eloha, was given the task of spreading these messages throughout the world in preparation for this crucial time in which we are now privileged to live: the predicted Age Of Revelation.

It's actually a pretty darn convenient way of explaining all of the World's religions.

[Luv2Skydive]

Well, I did a search for Real and Raelians...and the only thing that came up was Becker's posts.

Yeah, I don't know about Raelians but the websites I found named the Annunakians and the Drakonians, among others. Very compelling stuff that ties together fairly well if you don't mind jumping around to scan through all the links. I won't muck up this thread about it anymore, but I'm a believer in this theory.

"Leaving our humanity to progress by itself, the Elohim nevertheless maintained contact with us"

Supposedly "Elohim" means God in the bible, but the websites that support the alien theory say that the meaning is actually Gods. (i.e. more than one and they're aliens) and that there is a cover-up of it's true meaning. Ok, really done mucking this thread up.

[solrac_krad]

Amazing acting when she talks about her dan and her mom not being her real parents, really coool.
I hope we get some info aboutwut her dad said, it doesnt seem we are goign to get it soon.
As I always say, stick to the facts, I dont think the creators are going to use a real cult to represent the breeuniverse, it is prolly going to be something made up for the show.
Now that we know the limits the order could go to take bree, it seems that she is pretty unique and not replaceble as someone said earlier.
Great Video
WE WANT NEWS FROM GEMMA!

[bethy]

I'm perusing the Raelian website...and one of their ebooks sounds like a fun read:

Sensual Meditation is the "instruction manual" given to us to teach us how to master the harmonizing possibilities within the brain, by those best placed to know, those who designed the human being. Allowing one to deprogram the Judeo-Christian inhibitions of guilt, while at the same time not falling into the ethereal mysticisms of the Eastern teachings, Sensual Meditation allows the human to discover his/her body and especially to learn how to use it to enjoy sounds, colors, smells, tastes, caresses, and particularly a sexuality felt with all one's senses, so as to experience the cosmic orgasm, infinite and absolute, which illuminates the mind by linking the one who reaches it with the universes he/she is composed of and composes.

Plus this fun little news item:

http://www.raelianews.org/news.php?item.199.6

The Order of the Secret Members. Of course it's for people who live in French speaking countries of Europe and in the Muslim countries....but still...that language usd is quite parallel to the LG15 project.

[bethy]

Supposedly "Elohim" means God in the bible, but the websites that support the alien theory say that the meaning is actually Gods. (i.e. more than one and they're aliens) and that there is a cover-up of it's true meaning

Which I find interesting....because you know how htey have LDS in the "religion" section? Yes, Mormons are Christian (we're not going to argue that one...they are...they just aren't Modern Christians) but they (as do many other Christian sects) that there is a godhead, the Trinity...that they are three separate beings. (Yes, I know that other CHristians don't feel that way...we're not debating that.)

Also, with Mormons, they believe that people can progress and become Gods themselves someday. Could it be that having LDS in there, while it doesn't seem to fit at all, could simply be a clue pointing us to a certain direction?

This is actually pretty interesting since they believe in a more ancient Christianity...and other more modern sects that the three in the godhead as separate people...which would go along with the idea that

1) The Elohim are more than one
2) Many of the religions on earth are various parts of the truth and the different prophets are all messengers of the Elohim

which would also explain how many of the world's religions have very similar major events and in their scriptures.


Although...yeah....we don't want to "muck" up this thread anymore. It's just that my husband's viewing of thie video took me to the Raelians, and a lot of their terminoligy is eerily fitting to the series.

[Kimmy]

Just a comment on her Dad's mid-life crisis. While I wish the video had been more precise on his comments and motivation, it does imply to me that he felt guilt about living the lie, and wanted to tell her the truth, (a common event during middle age, a desire to put things right) thus risking and losing his life. Her stating that she is re-evaluating everything and comparing it to her Dad's position does seem to imply that he was also questioning all of his dearly held beliefs, which led to the meeting, revelation and death.
Of course, the next video could completely reverse all theories, which is a little disconcerting. I'd love more internal consistency.

[looking4answers]

OMG!
This is totally star Wars!

Luke: Jonas
Laia: Bree
Han: Danial
p Monkey: Chewbakka
Owan: R2D2
Thor: C3PO

-Bree is wanted by the Order
-Laia is wanted by the Empire

-Jonas's parent's died
-Luke's parent's died

-Han ran the ship
-Daniel runs the camera

-bree finds out that her parents are not her real parents
-Laia finds out her parents are not her real parents

-Thor is hairy and cute
-chewbacca is hairy and cute

-Owan is the quiet one
-R2D2 is the quiet one

-P monkey always has something to say
-C3PO always has something to say

Predictions:
Bree will find out that her father is indeed the head of the Order and that Jonas is her Brother. They will also find out that their mother was a head speaker for a major religion who tried to save her husband and he wound up going to "the dark side". Jonas will then have to confront his real father and him and Daniel will save Bree and Daniel and Bree will fall in love and get married. Jonas will go on to establish the one true order that his mother died to protect. And daniel and Bree's childen will go on to one day save the world!
Oh yeah! lol