Who Sees What?

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:43 am

"He said that to Nieriel. Nieriel, like as in the brain child, Nieriel. i smart too Nieriel."

Sorry...couldn't resist

giddeanx · Post by **giddeanx** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:49 am

Slackey4318 wrote:I completely agree with garnet on this. I understand the concept. And I understand that we are being asked to suspend belief (more so), but I agree that I can't suspend belief this much. I agree with garnet....I can't pretend to believe that The Order (who has remained a secret organization with people all over the globe and in high places) can't figure out how to hack (so they can watch) a video encrypted by three kids!

Who says they can't. It would be interesting to see an Op Aphid video with a small clip of a video that she should not have seen. A little WTF moment.

exanimatebylove · Post by **exanimatebylove** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:37 am

I know I already posted but, I LOVE THIS IDEA!!

Oh and by the way, new video...soon, please. I'm having withdrawls. Thanks.

djmadscribbler · Post by **djmadscribbler** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:52 am

giddeanx wrote:
Slackey4318 wrote:I completely agree with garnet on this. I understand the concept. And I understand that we are being asked to suspend belief (more so), but I agree that I can't suspend belief this much. I agree with garnet....I can't pretend to believe that The Order (who has remained a secret organization with people all over the globe and in high places) can't figure out how to hack (so they can watch) a video encrypted by three kids!
Who says they can't. It would be interesting to see an Op Aphid video with a small clip of a video that she should not have seen. A little WTF moment.

I have no problem believing that the Order wouldn't be able to to hack "a video encrypted by three kids" - as long as the encryption used was good enough. There are plenty of free programs based on Blowfish (a symmetric block cipher that can have key lengths up to 448 bits - for comparison the US Government says 246 bit key lengths are strong enough for Top Secret level docutments). So I have no problem believing that Oppy wouldn't be able to see the vids (at least not for the decades it could take to brute force a 448 bit key!)

For more info
http://www.schneier.com/blowfish.html
http://www.schneier.com/blowfish-products.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size

Jo_16_2 · Post by **Jo_16_2** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:02 pm

and.... oppy wouldnt necessarily know about those transmissions, it's not like bree would say "dear opaphid, i'm going to communicate via private transmissions so you dont know where we are"

giddeanx · Post by **giddeanx** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:08 pm

You're right but Oppy would be a fool to not try to look for them.

giddeanx · Post by **giddeanx** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:12 pm

Encryption would definately be assumed. But it would still be fun to see one of the "private" videos on one of OpAphids feeds as if she hacked her way into it.

kellylen · Post by **kellylen** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:52 pm

exanimatebylove wrote: Oh and by the way, new video...soon, please. I'm having withdrawls. Thanks.

sameeeeeee

Opladybug · Post by **Opladybug** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:08 pm

yah even if its a phony decoy vid made just for oppy.

Post by **The Creators** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:41 pm

The newest video, "Subjects Apprehended," is a "private video" uploaded by someone in the Order. Thank you all for your thoughts and help regarding who can see what videos. We think this is a good solution and will make the show more enjoyable. PM us if you have any questions, thoughts, concerns, or suggestions.

Thanks as always!

The Creators

modelmotion · Post by **modelmotion** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:54 pm

I assume this video will be uploaded to the Lonelygirl15 YouTube acccount (eventually) and that you will NOT be creating a YouTube account for the Order individual............right?

milowent · Post by **milowent** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:08 pm

The Creators wrote:The newest video, "Subjects Apprehended," is a "private video" uploaded by someone in the Order. Thank you all for your thoughts and help regarding who can see what videos. We think this is a good solution and will make the show more enjoyable. PM us if you have any questions, thoughts, concerns, or suggestions.

Thanks as always!

The Creators

intriguing! its finally here! looking forward to the possibilities for this plot that this new device creates!!!!

colbertnationgirl · Post by **colbertnationgirl** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:54 pm

The only thing I was confused about was whether it was the Order or OpAphid, which you might want to be careful about in the future. Otherwise, great job!!

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:31 pm

djmadscribbler wrote:I have no problem believing that the Order wouldn't be able to to hack "a video encrypted by three kids" - as long as the encryption used was good enough. There are plenty of free programs based on Blowfish (a symmetric block cipher that can have key lengths up to 448 bits - for comparison the US Government says 246 bit key lengths are strong enough for Top Secret level docutments). So I have no problem believing that Oppy wouldn't be able to see the vids (at least not for the decades it could take to brute force a 448 bit key!)

For more info
http://www.schneier.com/blowfish.html
http://www.schneier.com/blowfish-products.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size

So...how many minutes do you give Windows until the OpAphid hacker exploited his favorite security hole and executed his custom keylogger? One or two?

Bree could barely set up her webcam last year. And now she's supposed to recognize whether there's a keylogger recording her carefully picked password ("lonelygirl15"), or people otherwise in her machine? Not to mention that OpAphid could just execute a trojan instead and simply download the unencrypted source file...
Oh, and did I mention the millions of viewers who supposedly decrypt the video, whose traffic could be sniffed? (Plain text password transmission ftw!)

Yes, breaking the encryption itself, in this universe might be hard. But breaking the human element is way too easy. We're talking about people here who had their own homes bugged with cameras. Who have already been held hostage by the Order. Who lived in an Order-house for more than a week.

The idea that they could hide the necessary code to decrypt the video is ridiculous.

QtheC · Post by **QtheC** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:53 pm

The description for the video says

Transmission OTS - 0135 - 09 Subjects location confirmed. Apprehended. Commencing Phase II. Faction: THE ORDER Status: PRIVATE VIDEO

What does the "OTS - 0135 - 09" mean? (or is that something we are supposed to figure out)?

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