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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:34 pm
by EmilyElle
ogami1972 wrote:ubergeek wrote:I'm not criticizing all the great work everyone's been putting in. I just don't want for us to boast about finding a "solution" to a puzzle, only to find out later that we had some of it wrong. The fact that it "fits" says doesn't actually say anything about the validity of the solution. It may in fact lead us astray because we are looking for the solution that best fits our notion of what the puzzle ought to be.
i'm probably not the first, but i PM'd cassie with the current 'when' solution. no answer yet...
Same, also with who. No reply.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:37 pm
by skingraph666
i think its pretty close..but what should we be training for.....frank...frank..who is frank
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:39 pm
by meghan2
all the tenses throw me off but i think she may b saying not too much time for bree to train...for the ceremony
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:39 pm
by Sfonzarelli
skingraph666 wrote:i think its pretty close..but what should we be training for.....frank...frank..who is frank
Bree is training.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:40 pm
by jcox
could frank be bree's "helper"?
"Frank has done more to help than you"
Strange name for a woman, but it wouldn't be the most bizare thing we've come across so far.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:42 pm
by Hannahbee
EmilyElle wrote:EmilyElle wrote:ubergeek wrote:problems? how about the lack of iambic foot in almost every line? i think the iambs quadrameter is key (because of Cassie's clue). A line with seven beats just isn't going to cut it, I don't think.
If you guys want to take it all apart to make it fit iambic quadrameter that's fine, but I'm leaving this one as it is. This coming from the first person to figure out the whole iambic quadrameter thing... I think it might have just been for the first line, to set us rolling.
Then again... I could be wrong... it's in the first, fifth and sixth... and the fourth is a trochee, which as I said is an inverted iamb, so personally I think that's fine. But disregarding the foot and meter, the lines just seem to fit, especially "not much time for you to train".
well maybe the fact that she rearranged "iamb" in every repetition was an indication that it was ok to use trochee.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:46 pm
by martha
jcox wrote:could frank be bree's "helper"?
"Frank has done more to help than you"
Strange name for a woman, but it wouldn't be the most bizare thing we've come across so far.
I think Bree's helper is named Lucy
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:48 pm
by skingraph666
i thought we were helping cassie not bree..if it were bree than, she wouldnt go from "me" to "you"
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:48 pm
by jcox
martha wrote:jcox wrote:could frank be bree's "helper"?
"Frank has done more to help than you"
Strange name for a woman, but it wouldn't be the most bizare thing we've come across so far.
I think Bree's helper is named Lucy
oh yeah
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:50 pm
by Sungkoo
jcox wrote:martha wrote:jcox wrote:could frank be bree's "helper"?
"Frank has done more to help than you"
Strange name for a woman, but it wouldn't be the most bizare thing we've come across so far.
I think Bree's helper is named Lucy
oh yeah
Frank could be her last name
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:54 pm
by jcox
Sungkoo wrote:jcox wrote:martha wrote:jcox wrote:could frank be bree's "helper"?
"Frank has done more to help than you"
Strange name for a woman, but it wouldn't be the most bizare thing we've come across so far.
I think Bree's helper is named Lucy
oh yeah
Frank could be her last name
oh yeah
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:48 pm
by sethimage
wow just got through the thousands of pages of crap on here relating to this poem..this is insane...she still hasnt posted the where why or how???
jesus christ good luck guys
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:50 pm
by skingraph666
I think we can say we have this so far:
Who:
TELL ME TELL ME | TELL ME THE ANSWER
WHILE YOU BEG IT | GROWS LIKE CANCER.
YOU'RE THE ONE | WITH EVERY CLUE / HERE YOU NOTE | WITH EVERY CLUE
BUT FRANK HAS BEEN | MORE HELP THAN YOU.
UP HERE ABOVE | YOU NEVER LOOK,
SO ON YOUR HEAD | I'LL DROP A BOOK.
What:
divide the lines | half the time*
The evil priest will make the bed
While the victim nods her head.
Once she's bound, too late to quit,
she'll feel his hands, she'll taste his spit.
HABLERA SHEKEL TEL DA DE HUTINS TRINS,
She tried she lied she cried she died.
When:
ELEVEN DAYS UNTIL MY FATE
MEETS ME JUST INSIDE THE GATE
NOT MUCH TIME FOR YOU TO TRAIN
STILL YOU BICKER AND COMPLAIN.
HE'LL TAKE IT WITH A SINGLE PHRASE:
ELEVEN DAYS, ELEVEN DAYS
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:57 pm
by kfrogpaul
I'm the one that originally posted the possible Frank Harris connection. This is only my second post, so you'll note that I have avoided making a ton of speculation. However ... in reading that first stanza (the "WHO" one) ... I'm wondering if there is a further tie in with Frank Harris. His "best" novel -- according to Crowley -- was called The Bomb. The imagery of dropping a book is odd -- but less so if that book is called The Bomb. Dropping a bomb is fairly common phrasing and imagery.
No idea what it could mean, but it does strike me as (again) coincidental ... ESPECIALLY considering that Frank Harris' dubious "claim to fame" involved some pretty heavy sex.
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:02 am
by Luv2Luvem
skingraph666 wrote:I think we can say we have this so far:
Who:
TELL ME TELL ME | TELL ME THE ANSWER
WHILE YOU BEG IT | GROWS LIKE CANCER.
YOU'RE THE ONE | WITH EVERY CLUE / HERE YOU NOTE | WITH EVERY CLUE
BUT FRANK HAS BEEN | MORE HELP THAN YOU.
UP HERE ABOVE | YOU NEVER LOOK,
SO ON YOUR HEAD | I'LL DROP A BOOK.
What:
divide the lines | half the time*
The evil priest will make the bed
While the victim nods her head.
Once she's bound, too late to quit,
she'll feel his hands, she'll taste his spit.
HABLERA SHEKEL TEL DA DE HUTINS TRINS,
She tried she lied she cried she died.
When:
ELEVEN DAYS UNTIL MY FATE
MEETS ME JUST INSIDE THE GATE
NOT MUCH TIME FOR YOU TO TRAIN
STILL YOU BICKER AND COMPLAIN.
HE'LL TAKE IT WITH A SINGLE PHRASE:
ELEVEN DAYS, ELEVEN DAYS
In the what forum they have:
HABLERA SHEKEL TEL DA DE HUTINS TRINS=
He'll break the seal And thrust inside?