0143-What The Hell?!??!-[03/01/2007]

imogene2004 · Post by **imogene2004** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:20 pm

Does this look like a surveillance camera to anyone else?

Chelseyrl · Post by **Chelseyrl** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:21 pm

imogene2004 wrote:Does this look like a surveillance camera to anyone else?

I've been trying hard to figure out what the hell that is... it kinda looks like one...

bluejay · Post by **bluejay** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:23 pm

Really exciting video! I agree with the folks who think that someone (possibly Daniel, possibly the Order, probably not Bree) came to get Jonas free. Those zipties would have been impossible to get out of.

I'm not sure why they would have put the footprints there, but since Jonas, Bree and Daniel kept going on hikes during the past few days, possibly the footprints were already there?

Can't wait to hear from Jonas! I bet he'll post a vid to Bree and Daniel, trying to get them to trust him again. I don't think he's ready to give up on them.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:24 pm

My best guess (if Jonas has any ounce of sanity left in him), is that he called someone to come pick him up. I don't think Daniel cut him out either.

It also looked like the place he was in was in a basement or something, so considering it was a slide door, it may have been like a garage of some sort that someone could enter from outside.

Maybe his Order friends saw the videos and came to save him.
Or, if he ISN'T with the Order, maybe they just took him.
But then again, why would there be footprints if someone drove him away??

And what is that at the end of the video? To me it just looked like a big black wall...

And Daniel and Bree separated in the wintery woods? Oh dear.

PS: Bree is definitely losing her mind.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:24 pm

Lurker wrote:I just noticed that there's no zip ties laying on the floor or in the chair. I wonder if he somehow got out of the chair without the zip ties having to be cut

Yeah, I noticed the same thing, but I don't see how he could have gotten out of them without the zip having to be cut or left on the chair. I think he could have worked his hands under them, but it would really be painful. I guess it depends on how tight they were.

Maybe he is taking the cut pieces to the police as evidence.

pixxi.is.dizzi · Post by **pixxi.is.dizzi** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:25 pm

bluejay wrote:.

I'm not sure why they would have put the footprints there, but since Jonas, Bree and Daniel kept going on hikes during the past few days, possibly the footprints were already there?

I don't think so. They had a lot of ridge details so they would have been pretty fresh.

Chelseyrl · Post by **Chelseyrl** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:26 pm

I really think that this is NOT the end of Jonas. I agree with BlueJay that he doesn't seem ready to give up on DB and Bree.

imogene2004 · Post by **imogene2004** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:29 pm

Chelseyrl wrote:
imogene2004 wrote:Does this look like a surveillance camera to anyone else?

I've been trying hard to figure out what the hell that is... it kinda looks like one...

Here's a closer shot of it

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:34 pm

Chelseyrl wrote:I really think that this is NOT the end of Jonas. I agree with BlueJay that he doesn't seem ready to give up on DB and Bree.

I don't think he's ready to give up on Bree. That comment he made to Daniel during the interrogation about Daniel leaving him tied up so he could have Bree all to himself was pretty telling. Add that to how ecstatic he was in the "Snow Angels" vid, and I see that he also wants Bree.

bluejay wrote:I'm not sure why they would have put the footprints there, but since Jonas, Bree and Daniel kept going on hikes during the past few days, possibly the footprints were already there?

With fresh snow falling?

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:36 pm

imogene2004 wrote:
Chelseyrl wrote:
imogene2004 wrote:Does this look like a surveillance camera to anyone else?

I've been trying hard to figure out what the hell that is... it kinda looks like one...
Here's a closer shot of it

That looks so much like a camera its creepy.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:36 pm

imogene2004 wrote:
Chelseyrl wrote:
imogene2004 wrote:Does this look like a surveillance camera to anyone else?

I've been trying hard to figure out what the hell that is... it kinda looks like one...
Here's a closer shot of it

The actual angle of the shot seems to be an aerial view, not one from the ground.

bluejay · Post by **bluejay** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:43 pm

pixxi.is.dizzi wrote:
bluejay wrote:.

I'm not sure why they would have put the footprints there, but since Jonas, Bree and Daniel kept going on hikes during the past few days, possibly the footprints were already there?

I don't think so. They had a lot of ridge details so they would have been pretty fresh.

you're right, and it's been snowing. good eye!

pixxi.is.dizzi · Post by **pixxi.is.dizzi** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:47 pm

bluejay wrote:
pixxi.is.dizzi wrote:
bluejay wrote:.

I'm not sure why they would have put the footprints there, but since Jonas, Bree and Daniel kept going on hikes during the past few days, possibly the footprints were already there?

I don't think so. They had a lot of ridge details so they would have been pretty fresh.
you're right, and it's been snowing. good eye!

Thanks. I've been watching Mantracker. You pick up things.

autumneternal · Post by **autumneternal** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:49 pm

Chlowee wrote:he let him go... there's no way Jonas could have cut those plastic tiers.

I know it's farfetched, but maybe he squeezed his hands out through them. Really, though, I think the fact that there were no zip ties to be found is simply a continuity error.

longlostposter wrote:Yeah, that's what I'm talking about; it's the New Year for whoever celebrates that stuff. I think the person who posted it said it's March 7th.

Are you talking about the Vernal Equinox? If so, it's on March 20th.

parakeet100 wrote:What was Daniel looking for in his backpack? Bree said the other camera was gone... is that what Daniel was looking for, or was he looking for his cell phone?

The camera isn't going to help Jonas much unless he has a computer to upload it to. And why would he take the camera? And the keys? Is there another cabin?

I think he was looking for the keys, and I'm not entirely sure that was his backpack as much as it was Jonas'.

As for uploading videos, Jonas could do one of two things (1) go back home and upload videos there or (2) stop at an internet cafe.

cosmicdancer wrote:Why stay if people who you thought were your friends are tying you up and accusing you of being guilty even though there is a possibility that you're not?

Although I agree with your sentiment, what alarms me the most is that he just totally left Bree and Daniel in his parents' cabin. Why would he leave two people who did what they did to him, in a house that, by all rights, belongs to him, with his personal belongings?

Something about this doesn't sit right, or make sense. When Daniel was reported of having been missing everyone was quick to jump to the conclusion that the Order got him. However, with Jonas, people aren't thinking the same way at all. Just because Bree suspected Jonas because of a doodle on a stick, doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty, (although I do believe, like a lot of people, that he's withholding information of some sort). I don't know if I believe that the Order is behind Jonas' disappearance, but I do think someone took him, (perhaps the Cowboy?).

I just don't think that Jonas would have left them silently after what they did to him.

watching_watchers · Post by **watching_watchers** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:50 pm

Wow. I'm at loss for words. I can't believe Jonas is gone. And with the keys but not the car and the camera. What does this mean? =/