A warning: please read, Jonas

[Haether]

First of all, she has been through some very traumatic stuff

you know, people keep saying she had a traumatic experience...
Do we really know this?
Maybe she's going through withdrawal from their soma-like happy drugs, and that's why she acted that way.
We don't know she was traumatized.

[BrightSilence]

First of all, she has been through some very traumatic stuff

you know, people keep saying she had a traumatic experience...
Do we really know this?
Maybe she's going through withdrawal from their soma-like happy drugs, and that's why she acted that way.
We don't know she was traumatized.

Seeing that she has fled her own house, saw her father get killed and has no contact with her mother anymore. I'd say that's quite traumatic even if her time with the hymn of one was all puppies and bunnies... (is that a real saying? otherwise, I claim it )

[Lurker]

While true, Bright, right now we don't know if Bree remembers all of that.

Do you remember, Bree? I think we all want to know what you can recall from before Sarah, Daniel and Jonas rescued you.

[BrightSilence]

I still think trhat subconciously it is still there, making her vulnerable. You can't get a hit like that, loose your memory, and be all happy again. I just don't beleive it works like that.

Added to that I presumed that her memory was comming back. She did remember P. Monkey, Owen and Thor. She didn't before, so there is progress.

[LesterG]

There hasn't been any sex

sorry it just... lol perfect timing on your new vid Jonas

[Bastet]

Unfortunately, it appears that my worry came to fruition...

Now she's gone once more...

[Particular]

Ouch. Poor Jonas.

Still not really happy with you friend, but nobody likes to be played.
That really sucks, I hope you find her soon. Lots of love, but please try to learn from this.

[rupaZer0]

Remember, Eve betrayed Adam.

How bloody sexist! It takes two to tango.

Jonas, let the girl do what she needs to do. As crazy as Bree is right now, and as much as Bree's moral fortitude wasn't perfect to begin with, I don't think she'd use you like this if she was planning on escaping. I'm sure she just needs some time to reflect - she's probably going to behave in random ways quite a lot for the next month or so, after this whole latest thing with the order. And it's going to hurt you so bad, but you have to be patient and be there for you, because you're an item now.

[Particular]

Remember, Eve betrayed Adam.

How bloody sexist! It takes two to tango.

What the hell, man? How the frick do you reckon that? I'm assuming the whole eating the apple thing... If this is what Pallidity was referring to, Adam had a choice, its not like she tricked him into eating it. Totally agree with you RupaZer0.

*fumes* Sorry, not personal, just very theologically critical.

[Bastet]

I don't think that Bree would willingly betray Jonas or Daniel... but since she hasn't been very forthcoming, we don't know exactly what was done to Bree by the Order. I think it's quite obvious that they manipulated Bree's thinking, but we don't know what method they used to do so, nor do we know what sorts of thoughts they may have implanted in her mind.

[consideration]

Remember, Eve betrayed Adam.

Eve was betrayed herself. If you know anything about the Bible other than what was made canon, you'd know that Eve was more of a naive victim than a wickid betrayer.

Anyways, Jonas, ummm...I think this should prove to you that Bree wasn't actually back. If she was, she would have stuck around, but made a video calling you a liar and ripping you to shreds.

[sack36]

It occurs to me, Jonas, that just because Bree isn't in the shower, that doesn't mean she has fled, or that you aren't right about your night with her.

• First, Bree is still liable to be unstable. She'll be going back and forth between the various states of lucidity.
  Second, The childlike Bree may have left the water running. (ok, I don't believe this one either, but it is a possibility so it stays.)
  Third, Bree may just need some time to herself to sort through her conflicting emotions. This can easily have been a much more epic decision than sleeping with the man she loves. She may have consciously betrayed the Order, destroyed her purity bond, committed a sin in her belief system...

Be calm, call in the reserves (Daniel and Sarah) and check the house and grounds.

Then you have my permission to freak out.

[Pallidity]

Remember, Eve betrayed Adam.

Eve was betrayed herself. If you know anything about the Bible other than what was made canon, you'd know that Eve was more of a naive victim than a wickid betrayer.

I agree and don't want to insinuate that Eve was wicked at all, however Eve took the first bite, did she not? What I was actually trying to hint at with that is who is to say that the Order is not the tree of knowledge (while I wouldn't exactly call it that, it works best with the symbolism), that Eve is not Bree, that Jonas is not Adam and that The Order is not the tree of knowledge? I wasn't trying to sound like a sexist jerk.

It is much more likely that Bree has experienced a lot of psychological manipulation to reprogram her, not drugs.

you don't know this...

Which is why I accounted for it in the next sentence with "even if she was drugged". =P

Even if she was drugged they would likely not still be in her system or slowly be fading out. He is taking advantage of her, but what guy doesn't when a girl they've been attracted to finally shows them attention after a very, very long time?

that is the Worse Generalization of men ever...(man-hate much?) anyway, Doesn't make it right... imo, if you got game... you don't need to spit it when the girl is not in her right mind/drugged/influenced/vegetative state... Jonas is not some loser who can't get a girl...

I agree that it is a generalization and obviously I should've worded it better, though I had no idea each line of mine would be ripped apart by the members in here. It is agreed that Jonas could get a lady, but from the way his character is portrayed he seems to only have eyes for Bree, making her his exclusive target.

There hasn't been any sex (that we're aware of) and he hasn't secretively given her any kind of drug, so there is no date rape going on here, dude (I'm assuming you're a guy, my apologies if you're not).

Like I said it's the equivalent to it in my mind, but anyway... I think I'll quote Marbella from another thread about these threads...

Rape
The unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.

Date Rape
Sexual intercourse forced by the victim's social escort.
(from dictionary.com)

I see where you're coming from, but because Jonas didn't force her into anything from what we know, he isn't technically raping her.

I'd also like to remind everyone that posts in this section are meant to be TO Jonas. They are freeform and whatever someone wants to express, but they need to be written to the character, not to the poster.

I hope that wasn't directed soley at me I'm new to this section of the forum (although I'll be leaving now considering I feel so incredibly unwelcome), so I had no idea about that one. I assumed that we could write to one another in the same thread, sort of like there being a conversation going on in a room, as that's what I saw in other threads.

[Bastet]

Please, let's not bicker about what each other posts... I don't think there's anything wrong with addressing what each other has said. If the only purpose of this was to send messages to Jonas without commenting on what that message is, then we would all just be sending him our own personal opinions. To me, that would mean that our ability to respond to the posts of others would be cut off, everything would be locked down after someone posts a message to Jonas, therefore keeping everyone else from placing their own comments in the same thread. Since this isn't the case, I can only assume that we're not only allowed to leave a comment for Jonas, but also for others on the board to read and comment on.

No one should be shut down when it comes to reasonable, rational responses. I have to admit that I wasn't thrilled initially when I saw that "Adam and Eve" had been brought into this, but Pallidity has every right to his/her ideas and comments. My family has been in the US for a long, long time, and we have sacrificed through our generations in order to guarantee freedom of speech for all.

Pallidity, I have no problem with your comments, and you are always welcome in my threads.

[rupaZer0]

Yeah, Pallidity, sorry if my response contributed to your feeling unwelcome. I'm opinionated about the way creation myths are used to validate social and political models, and I should have been more sensitive to how you might feel being criticised.