Popular Myths Spread By Trolls

soma · Post by **soma** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:06 am

There really is no depth to the Charles Manson clue. There is nothing there worth discussing.

This is what I am talking about. You two are major disinformation trolls. TW, give me a break, you know as well as I do that what you are saying is BS. Don't even bother with that. You've hijacked CiW and are using it to further your own purposes. What is it that threatens you so about others exploring or discussing the actual clues Cassie has left us? Are you afraid?

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:10 am

soma wrote:What is it that threatens you so about others exploring or discussing the actual clues Cassie has left us? Are you afraid?

Nothing, but since we are discussing actual clues. What are your thoughts on the poem Cassie left us?

soma · Post by **soma** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:17 am

This thread is for the discussion of disinformation trolls. Your predictable attempts to change the subject (a subject that many people here want to know about) are transparent.

So you don't want to talk about Charles Manson and therefore all banning of the topic is OK, no one is being censored because you are being censored? Well, the white Aryans under the Third Reich said the same thing - everything here is free and open. No one is being repressed. All views are acceptable. No open discussion is being shut down. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship.

The facts are:

1. Charles Manson attended OTO lodges and was seriously influenced by his experience with Thelema - this experience directly inspired his mass murders.

2. All of the LG15 filming is being done in the same area that the Manson murders took place.

And yet, Cassie making an entire video dedicated to Manson that even shows crime scene photos taken right in that lg15 area, and that uses the actual spoken words "Charles Manson" has 'nothing' to do with Charles Manson?

The only people you are fooling are those who have already chosen to close their eyes.

Cassie's first clue was gamejacked. Her second clue was Manson. And we have hundreds and hundreds of posts in this forum with zero content, talking about stuff that Cassie has said is not related to anything - like Tarot cards and the gamejacker planted Tarot card box.

bosquelito · Post by **bosquelito** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:28 am

I have and do enjoy twjaniak's comments, involvement, videos, enthusiasm and assistance through modding.

I've seen ravensgrace around here before I noticed or saw him/her modding.

They've both been informative and helpful, fun and interesting.

But....

twjaniak's increased involvement in contributing to the direction of the game places him in a certain position that makes one question his ability to maintain objectivity. Not saying he is not capable, but in all honesty, it does raise the question.

ravensgrace, soma has a valid point. I don't think it wise to dwell on the subject matter of Manson too much, as there are the dangerous elements that might arise. Very dangerous elements, amonst the lurkers who might stir up problems to the dangers of dead-drop chasers, both caused by them or resulting from a false lead from Cassie or an offshoot outside of the game.
Let's just say it -- the internet is not always a safe place. Here we face the risks of real-world involvement that could lead to danger. It's no doubt there are some of these people here, drawn by the dark scenes, etc. predators and deviants drawn in by LG15 in the first place.

So... again... now that there are fingers pointed, and concerns raised.... how do we distinguish trollers? I know who I trust on here, if only for my own amusement being that it's a game. But really, how to know who's giving in for the group or who's for misdirection or their own amusement?
I understand you mods are overall trying to make things safe, and help out when you can... but the question is being posed.

Sfonzarelli · Post by **Sfonzarelli** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:39 am

Soma, I'd be more inclined to side with you if you didn't invoke a regime that killed about 200 million people to the moderation policies of a message board.

I absolutely agree with you. The "slide" argument is weak - especially for anyone who's a Beatles aficianado or a Manson aficianado. (I am both) HyeMew said he had no problem with us discussing Manson. I think it will be fairly obvious when a line in our discussion has been crossed.

I appreciate the job the moderators are doing but I do feel as though an atmosphere more conducive to exploring every possible lead could be created. There does seem to be a "MySpace is herecy"/"Manson is herecy"/"[random opinion about clue] is herecy" attitude.

bosquelito wrote:So, one question arises --- no just for this game, but perhaps future games we all may run into: How do we spot a Troll?

The creators of this game have made it clear that they want fans to play along. Maybe trolling could be part of the fun.

jammer wrote:Note to all-

PLEASE do not flame anyone.

This is not about any single person, but about the troll problem in general.

Let's keep it civil, and not take any flamebait.

Please DO post any additional popular troll myths you find relevant to this thread, however.

Two of your four examples QUOTE me.

"Cassie has denounced all of the clues she's given us."

"Personally, I find the idea of gamejackers pretty silly."

Those are EXACT QUOTES from previous message board posts of mine. This poll clearly does not refer to anyone else but me. Your profile used to specifically refer to me as an example of a troll. This thread exists to point fingers at me. Honestly, I don't feel insulted, I just find it rather...silly.

soma · Post by **soma** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:56 am

a regime that killed about 200 million people

I think that number is an order of magnitude off. If you are going for the big numbers, I could have said Mao Tse Tung, his policies did result in that many deaths.

However, the point I was making which you may have overlooked is that the people who have power and control in a totalitarian state always say that they live in a free society. That is true - it is a free society for them.

But it is not a free society for everyone.

There was a great YT video on this, but I think its been removed. The person, who stated he had Mark Mothersbaugh's permission and clearance to do so, scored Devo's "Beautiful World" against shots he had clipped from Triumph of the Will, along with a single shot of the ghetto at the reveal in the song when they say "It's a Beautiful World for you. It's not for me."

Sfonzarelli · Post by **Sfonzarelli** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:04 am

soma wrote:
a regime that killed about 200 million people
I think that number is an order of magnitude off.

Absolutely not. look at the statistics for Poland and Russia.

But I think you missed my overlying point. This is a MESSAGE BOARD about a 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO MAKES VIDEOS OF HER PURPLE MONKEY. How could you compare that to serious political repression, especially when serious political repression is going on right now in every country in the world.

juliangrimm · Post by **juliangrimm** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:05 am

I have to agree with the dissenters here. This is becoming outragous and there are not enough eyeroll emoticons for the thin arguments posted. I used to post here alot but the way things are getting I prefer the other CiW forum especially on the signal to noise ratio.

I think the manson ban is silly and uneeded just as the fear someone will show up at the house.

ravensgrace, soma has a valid point. I don't think it wise to dwell on the subject matter of Manson too much, as there are the dangerous elements that might arise. Very dangerous elements, amonst the lurkers who might stir up problems to the dangers of dead-drop chasers, both caused by them or resulting from a false lead from Cassie or an offshoot outside of the game.

I wish I could have those IQ points back I lost reading this. Next thing you know Jess Rose will be in danger from cassie...

And the only real point I disagree with soma on is that I'm not sure there were gamejacks at all. For me the jury is still out on that.

I'm seriously wondering how we're gonna last when we don't have the stomach to discuss such things as Manson or the knee jerk gripes over the use of the Third Reich as an example post. I personally have thicker skin and haven't been neutered by PC sensitivity.

soma · Post by **soma** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:07 am

Sfonzarelli wrote:
soma wrote:
a regime that killed about 200 million people
I think that number is an order of magnitude off.
Absolutely not. look at the statistics for Poland and Russia.

???

Thanks much for the link!! (Did you, uh, even look at the charts there? They sort of contradict your claims soundly...)

Sfonzarelli · Post by **Sfonzarelli** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:11 am

juliangrimm wrote:the knee jerk gripes over the use of the Third Reich as an example post.

My gripes weren't knee-jerk at all. It's a shame because I agree with everything you said. But people who just randomly compare everything to the Nazis are just using a strong emotional invocation as a substitute for rational argument, which is why it happens on the Internet so much.

soma · Post by **soma** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:14 am

juliangrimm wrote:And the only real point I disagree with soma on is that I'm not sure there were gamejacks at all. For me the jury is still out on that.

I understand what you're saying here and am open to it. My own perspective is that I interpret Cassie's messages are that she didn't plant the box, or make the phone calls, so that's her position and since this is not a game that's what I'm personally going with...

bosquelito · Post by **bosquelito** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:15 am

But people who just randomly compare everything to the Nazis are just using a strong emotional invocation as a substitute for rational argument, which is why it happens on the Internet so much.

That's what Lindbergh said about the Nazis

juliangrimm · Post by **juliangrimm** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:18 am

Sfonzarelli wrote:
juliangrimm wrote:the knee jerk gripes over the use of the Third Reich as an example post.
My gripes weren't knee-jerk at all. It's a shame because I agree with everything you said. But people who just randomly compare everything to the Nazis are just using a strong emotional invocation as a substitute for rational argument, which is why it happens on the Internet so much.

I may have overreacted with that part but I'm getting sick of the handwringing and worry that has come up over cassie, the picture and that she may be dangerous...This is all getting too out of hand especially these arguments that cassie is fanfic and such...

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:19 am

soma wrote:This thread is for the discussion of disinformation trolls. Your predictable attempts to change the subject (a subject that many people here want to know about) are transparent.

My post was a humorous jibe at the fact that you think I am a troll.

Furthermore, none of your posts have been altered or banned, which makes your argument moot.

I have no problem whatsoever discussing the Manson "clue". In fact, I am still waiting for you post something of substance in this regard, instead of pointing fingers and calling names.

Sfonzarelli · Post by **Sfonzarelli** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:19 am

juliangrimm wrote:
Sfonzarelli wrote:
juliangrimm wrote:the knee jerk gripes over the use of the Third Reich as an example post.
My gripes weren't knee-jerk at all. It's a shame because I agree with everything you said. But people who just randomly compare everything to the Nazis are just using a strong emotional invocation as a substitute for rational argument, which is why it happens on the Internet so much.
I may have overreacted with that part but I'm getting sick of the handwringing and worry that has come up over cassie, the picture and that she may be dangerous...This is all getting too out of hand especially these arguments that cassie is fanfic and such...

Word. The way people have flipped out about Manson and Bree's house and the "gamejackers" has been beyond rediculous

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