Posts from Kelrast (9-30-06)

toadlguy · Post by **toadlguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:07 am

ravensgrace wrote: He is also posting from somewhere that is nowhere near LA, as someone has already pointed out, and as I have seen for myself.

Since I can't see your evidence here, I might point out that IP spoofing is very simple - just log on to a machine that's not in LA. Are you sure it's not an open proxy?

ravensgrace wrote:
We've already had a number of real and feigned attempts at subverting or redirecting this game. Do we really need more?

That is completely rediculous, if this post is an attempt to "subvert the game" either by me or Kelrast (if he is just an innocent poster - he never claimed otherwise) than we might as well not bother posting anything.
I'm off to work

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:10 am

toadlguy wrote:Ravensgrace - So I take it you say no, don't trust Kelrast?. Again, I'm not sure yet - but I was on the forums when the first two posts came in.

No, I'm not saying we shouldn't trust him. I'm saying he isn't Cassie, and everything he posts should be taken as such.

The first post came in after it was concluded that the Codes into Serapis was contained in the last line and that Codes into Serapis could mean Cassie does not RIP. But no one had unscrambled the last line - in fact I was trying to convince everyone that it was rven a poem at the time. People did not buy that it was line by line anagrams until the Kelrast post. That got us moving.

I actually looked up the thread.

His post was at 11:52, and Sunflowernik posted the same information at 11:18. That is 34 minutes too late, and as I said, it wasn't new information.

When the second post came in we were not sure about the poem yet - this was before the finished poem was posted by Cassie. The 2nd line had been translated incorrectly - hence the line about Moses. The definitiveness of his statement led to our starting a new post to interpret things - and was then followed by the cganged url to the finished poem.

These could have been very astute posting on someones part - but they definately changed the direction of the work being done.

I agree, however, I think it was simply timing, and people were refreshing so fast that they missed the first posts. However, considering how much later his posts were I am positive that he probably read the entire thread up until that point, and simply shared old information. He was a lurker that saw something we missed.

My analysis was based purely on the assumption that Kelrast is CiW canon which is not at all clear. Maybe Cassie will give us a clue (like "Kelrast lies" or not).

She did that the first time, because everyone had immediately been taken in by the fake voicemail. So, if he tries to steer us away from the clues I'd imagine she would jump in and say something.

toadlguy · Post by **toadlguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:18 am

ravensgrace wrote: I actually looked up the thread. His post was at 11:52, and Sunflowernik posted the same information at 11:18. That is 34 minutes too late, and as I said, it wasn't new information.

Yes sunflowernik posted that it was a sonnet - but not the unscrambling of the last line - it was that, that focused eveyone - not that it was a sonnet (I said it was a poem well before both of those)

pcbbc · Post by **pcbbc** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:26 am

toadlguy wrote:Analysis:The last post was a little hard to take since we have all been convinced that there was confirmed “out-of-game” game jacking going on.

Unless I've missed something obvious around here I am still far from convinced this was "out-of-game".
I should add that I'm talking about the game jacking that Kelrast actually mentions in his post: the box and the various voice-mail attacks and resulting phone calls.
(Explicitly not the other (IMHO fairly poor jacking attempts) by the fake MS and EBay Cassies. I've never had any reason to believe that they are anything other than game jacking trolls.)

Please could you point me to some references?

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:32 am

toadlguy wrote:Since I can't see your evidence here, I might point out that IP spoofing is very simple - just log on to a machine that's not in LA. Are you sure it's not an open proxy?

I work on the net. Pratically live here. I have my own company, and manage my own network of about 35 servers. I'm well aware of proxy servers and open relays.

hehe, toadlguy.

If you truly want to believe this guy is Cassie than there is little, short of Cassie herself disavowing him, that shall dissuade you from it. Me thinks that even if Kelrast himself were to tell you he wasn't connected you would only grow more suspicious.

I love this game! It's like a really long session of Paranoia.

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:46 am

toadlguy wrote:
ravensgrace wrote: Cassie has never stated she tried to help Bree, and also never stated that she was "stopped."
Actually this does follow from:
TO KILL ME WITH HIS SWORD OF HATE
IF HELP AGAIN WILL COME TOO LATE.
But you are right, without Kelrast - it does not directly connect to Bree (although it is the most obvious assumption)

Every single help message that Cassie has sent us has been "help me" not "help bree." Why would that one line suddenly be interpreted to be about helping Bree? I am so confused where this idea originated!

Why would Cassie want us to help Bree? As both of her videos are tagged, bree tells lies!

randomtrickpony · Post by **randomtrickpony** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:48 am

But....if this is all true...why would she (yes, Kelrast is a she) make it so obvious? I mean, if there really were a few from the 'in' crowd here...why wouldn't they just post like the rest of us.

I hate to feed the paranoia, but seriously. Who you really need to be looking at are the people all around you...those that sometimes even post daily.

See...if Kelrast really is...then she's drawing away attention. Isn't she

(btw Kelrast...I still want your vote for the apocalypse cake! And you left before we could have our lightsaber battle! I owe you one ^_^)

toadlguy · Post by **toadlguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:50 am

ravensgrace wrote: hehe, toadlguy. If you truly want to believe this guy is Cassie than there is little, short of Cassie herself disavowing him, that shall dissuade you from it. Me thinks that even if Kelrast himself were to tell you he wasn't connected you would only grow more suspicious.

I love this game! It's like a really long session of Paranoia.

OK - so you have accused me of subverting the game and now of being a paranoid. You obviously didn't bother to read my posts or you would have seen that I am not a firm beliver in Kelrast. Your comments are pretty offensive for a moderator.

I put this forward to see what the worldview according to Kelrast was. There was actually an entire thread on whether Kelrast was Cassie or someone elses sock puppet. I was trying to add to the general knowledge base - interestingly enough, the worldview is not self-contradictory. That doesn't mean it is correct.

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:58 am

toadlguy wrote:OK - so you have accused me of subverting the game and now of being a paranoid. You obviously didn't bother to read my posts or you would have seen that I am not a firm beliver in Kelrast. Your comments are pretty offensive for a moderator.

What?

I have accused you of nothing. The entire premise of this game is based on paranoia. Second, Paranoia is a P&P RPG that has been around for about 20 years. Third, yes, I read your post, which is why I added my two cents to the thread. I'm sorry you were offended, but I think everything I have said are valid points, except of course for the jokes I made.

Wow.

toadlguy · Post by **toadlguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:00 am

ravensgrace wrote:Every single help message that Cassie has sent us has been "help me" not "help bree." Why would that one line suddenly be interpreted to be about helping Bree? I am so confused where this idea originated!

Why would Cassie want us to help Bree? As both of her videos are tagged, bree tells lies!

The lines say to "kill me with his sword of hate" if "help AGAIN will come too late" - somewhat confusing - but if help AGAIN comes too late is Cassie going to be killed twice?

But I did just find a contradiction, at least to Lucy being the High Priest, since it does say HIS in respect to the High Priest - and Lucy appears to be a woman

curriguy · Post by **curriguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:04 am

in reference to the fact that Cassie said

help me.

this really could be reinterpretted to mean

"help me....prevent Bree from being a part of the ceremony...because it will lead to armageddon"

it doesn't necessarily mean, "help me. I am in danger. come save ME, and not Bree"

just a thought.

and in general, I like most of toad's interpretation. it seems to pull everything together VERY nicely. and I must say that, one does NOT have to believe kelrast is cassie...to find toad's interpretations plausible.

Although I must also agree with ravens grace, "bree tells lies" is still confusing. WHAT is she lying about? Toad's explanation doesn't really delve into that.

all in all, these new thoughts have a lot of value, but don't completely solve the mystery.

toadlguy · Post by **toadlguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:08 am

ravensgrace wrote: What? I have accused you of nothing.
Wow.

Oh please, Ravensgrace, reread your posts. They were obviously ment to be both snide and insulting:

We've already had a number of real and feigned attempts at subverting or redirecting this game. Do we really need more?

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:11 am

Event: Cassie's first video

Posted: Sept 13 2006.

Description: We see some images flash, including a sack, and hear the words, "I was here" whispered. Then we hear a dragging sound, as the camera makes it's way down the trail. Cut to the pool. We wait. We see a bag dropped into the water. The images flash, again, and we hear the words, "Come and get it" whispered.

Comment on the video: help me

Tags on the video: bree tells lies

toadlguy · Post by **toadlguy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:13 am

This was actually meant to be a constructive attempt to discuss the posts of Kelrast - since he makes a brief appearance and then disappears - I have already pointed out one inconsistency with MY interpretation. But he didn't actually say Lucy wwas the High Priest, but implied it.

ravensgrace · Post by **ravensgrace** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:13 am

toadlguy wrote:Oh please, Ravensgrace, reread your posts. They were obviously ment to be both snide and insulting:
I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to Kelrast. I'm simply stating he isn't Cassie. We've already had a number of real and feigned attempts at subverting or redirecting this game. Do we really need more?

Those are facts. Followed by an honest question, which by the way, wasn't directed at you, personally, but at the suggestion we take anything outside of cassieiswatching@youtube as canon. If you want to discuss this any further then please PM me.

EDIT: I meant no disrespect to toadlguy or Kelrast. We have, in fact, had attempts at moving this game in other directions.