[Tee Hee][Important] Do you like carrot cake?

[itsreallyreal]

Does any other ROOT have it's own cake?

h.. and uh... I REALLY like spice cake!

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[sphinx]

I just received a call from John Cunningham...

Now look who's spreading rumors!

A common urban legend is that carrots aid a human being's night vision. It is believed that disinformation introduced in 1940 by John "Cat's Eyes" Cunningham during the Battle of Britain was an attempt to cover up the discovery and use of radar technologies. It reinforced existing German folklore and helped to encourage children to eat the vegetable.

Uhuh...
The same John Cunningham who you "just received a call from".
The same John Cunningham who DIED on July 21, 2002.

Carrot Cake Haters tell lies!

[ladron121]

Here are the facts, and they are NOT in dispute:

Nutritionist Susie Burrell tells of the dangers of over consumption of carrots: Vitamin A can be toxic if you have too much of it, and because our liver stores beta-carotene when it becomes saturated the carrot pigment will turn skin orange.

And now to add a 2nd source disproving the lie that carrots help your eyesight:

* How did the carrots and eyesight theory come about? It seems that in World War II, Britain's air ministry spread the word that a diet of carrots helped pilots see Nazi bombers attacking at night. That was a propaganda story originating from Britain's Ministry of Food, intended to cover the real reason for the Royal Air Force's successes: Airborne Interception Radar, also known as AI. The secret new system pinpointed enemy bombers before they reached the English Channel. Apparently the motive of Lord Woolton (the Minister for Food) was twofold — it also encouraged folks to eat more vegetables (that could be grown in your own backyard) during ration time, when meat and imports were scarce.

And lets be careful about throwing claims of racism around, since it seems that the history of carrots (the evil root that they are) is steeped in racism. They actively bred them to end diversity and please a tyrannical monarchy!!!

* Hundreds of years ago carrots weren't just orange — they came in all kinds of colors, including green, white and even purple.

* In the 17th century, Dutch growers crossed pale yellow carrots with red ones to produce orange carrots. Why? To curry favor with the Dutch monarchy, "The House of Orange."

So not only are those who appreciate carrots, and the "cakes" they inhabit, liars, but propaganda peddlers, racists, and hate democracy too.

Again, these are the facts, and they are NOT in dispute.

[FallingIntoSin]

Circle Circle Dot Dot I Got My Carrot Haters Shot!

I used to like you Lad, but now it's on.

Sphinx, dig me up some facts, sista'!

[tiltingwindward]

Although it seems the carrot cake haters are blind to reason, logic, and all that is good and beautiful in this troubled world of ours, I will endeavour, once again, to point out their errors and lies.

First:

A common urban legend is that carrots aid a human being's night vision. It is believed that disinformation introduced in 1940 by John "Cat's Eyes" Cunningham during the Battle of Britain was an attempt to cover up the discovery and use of radar technologies. It reinforced existing German folklore and helped to encourage children to eat the vegetable.

Obviously, this is wrong. Why would John Cunningham, an RAF pilot, want to reinforce German beliefs? You aren't suggesting that the great Cat's Eyes was a traitor, are you? (Not that I would be surprised; it would be just another in a long string of self-serving lies.)

Second:

* Hundreds of years ago carrots weren't just orange — they came in all kinds of colors, including green, white and even purple.

* In the 17th century, Dutch growers crossed pale yellow carrots with red ones to produce orange carrots. Why? To curry favor with the Dutch monarchy, "The House of Orange."

For the record, these multi-colored carrots still exist, and are welcomed in many societies--although not, apparently, in the society of carrot cake haters, where they are obviously virtually unknown. I myself have made a carrot cake with white and green carrots, and it tasted delicious--just like every other carrot cake I have ever eaten.

I hope the carrot cake loving majority will take notice of these lies, and also of the vicious attacks perpetrated upon Sphinx's defenseless 2-year-old son, whose only crime was a stroke of brilliance beyond his years brought upon him as a result of eating carrot cake.

[ladron121]

Let's address the issues brought up by Tilt:

First:

A common urban legend is that carrots aid a human being's night vision. It is believed that disinformation introduced in 1940 by John "Cat's Eyes" Cunningham during the Battle of Britain was an attempt to cover up the discovery and use of radar technologies. It reinforced existing German folklore and helped to encourage children to eat the vegetable.

Obviously, this is wrong. Why would John Cunningham, an RAF pilot, want to reinforce German beliefs? You aren't suggesting that the great Cat's Eyes was a traitor, are you? (Not that I would be surprised; it would be just another in a long string of self-serving lies.)

Why would he want to reinforce German beliefs? Because they were the enemy! Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake. If they continued to believe that it was carrots that gave the RAF excellent night vision, then they would not look for another reason, like the radar. This would obviously give the RAF the advantage in every battle. Come now Tilt, I expect better from my enemies than this...

Second:

* Hundreds of years ago carrots weren't just orange — they came in all kinds of colors, including green, white and even purple.

* In the 17th century, Dutch growers crossed pale yellow carrots with red ones to produce orange carrots. Why? To curry favor with the Dutch monarchy, "The House of Orange."

For the record, these multi-colored carrots still exist, and are welcomed in many societies--although not, apparently, in the society of carrot cake haters, where they are obviously virtually unknown. I myself have made a carrot cake with white and green carrots, and it tasted delicious--just like every other carrot cake I have ever eaten.

I would appreciate it if Tilt could find one picture of a carrot cake that was made with a carrot that was not orange. They may exist, but the elitist carrot cake gestapo has excluded them.

I hope the carrot cake loving majority will take notice of these lies, and also of the vicious attacks perpetrated upon Sphinx's defenseless 2-year-old son, whose only crime was a stroke of brilliance beyond his years brought upon him as a result of eating carrot cake.

Those "r"s were backwards, face it. And to use Sphinx child as a propaganda tool for your cause shows EVERYONE who the real evil is here. For shame Tilt, but its what has to be expected from the carrot cake machine. Just keep greasing the cogs of the machine with lies and the blood of small children Tilt. How do you sleep at night?

[FallingIntoSin]

Gah, too much info for me to digest, but in other news, I'm giving away free Carrot Hater Shots!

[tiltingwindward]

Why would he want to reinforce German beliefs? Because they were the enemy! Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake. If they continued to believe that it was carrots that gave the RAF excellent night vision, then they would not look for another reason, like the radar. This would obviously give the RAF the advantage in every battle. Come now Tilt, I expect better from my enemies than this...

Honestly Lad, go learn to read, and then read history. The German CHILDREN were not the ones attacking Britain. They did not need to have this myth perpetuated. Nor were the German children looking for a reason for the RAF's success at pinpointing German bombers. I see, however, that your statements demonstrate an implicit support for the practice of making child soldiers. Disgraceful.

I would appreciate it if Tilt could find one picture of a carrot cake that was made with a carrot that was not orange. They may exist, but the elitist carrot cake gestapo has excluded them.

You know, just because something is different from the way you expected it doesn't mean that it appears different on the surface. The hot pan looks just like the cold pan. Carrot cake from yellow/white/green carrots looks just like cake from orange carrots. I cannot vouch for purple carrots since, unlike the carrot cake haters, I do not make assumptions regarding things I know little about.

And I sleep very well, thank you for asking. My easy sleep habits are most likely rooted in the volunteer work I do daily, cooking and distributing carrot cake to underprivileged children.

[sphinx]

Once again, a plethora of half-truths and disinformation.

Nutritionist Susie Burrell tells of the dangers of over consumption of carrots: Vitamin A can be toxic if you have too much of it, and because our liver stores beta-carotene when it becomes saturated the carrot pigment will turn skin orange.

Over-consumption of ANYTHING is not good for you. Why would carrots be any different. To reach a toxicity as described (Carotenemia), one would have to ingest over 100 milligrams of carotene daily, for 10 days straight. To do this, one would have to drink over a gallon of carrot juice a day, or eat over 20 pounds of carrot cake a day, for 10 days. An average slice of carrot cake runs about 6 ounces. Do I really need to do the math? Seriously, if you're ingesting that much Carrot Cake, you've got bigger problems than a skin pigment change or possible liver damage.

And now to add a 2nd source disproving the lie that carrots help your eyesight:

How did the carrots and eyesight theory come about? It seems that in World War II, Britain's air ministry spread the word that a diet of carrots helped pilots see Nazi bombers attacking at night. That was a propaganda story originating from Britain's Ministry of Food, intended to cover the real reason for the Royal Air Force's successes: Airborne Interception Radar, also known as AI. The secret new system pinpointed enemy bombers before they reached the English Channel. Apparently the motive of Lord Woolton (the Minister for Food) was twofold — it also encouraged folks to eat more vegetables (that could be grown in your own backyard) during ration time, when meat and imports were scarce.

Well, I found your source (Urban Legends anyone?), and I find it extremely interesting that you omitted a lot of information that supported the health benefits of carrots when it comes to eyesight. How predictable.

Why don't we look at the main symptoms of Vitamin A deficiency:
- Reduced night vision
- Night blindness
- Dry eyes
- Eye inflammation
- Corneal inflammation
- Rough skin
- Dry skin
- Vulnerability to respiratory infection
- Vulnerability to urinary infection
- Growth retardation in children

Now, from the USDA site:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/Research/docs.htm?docid=5231

Carrots provide 30% of the vitamin A in the US diet.
Vitamin A is synthesized in the human metabolism by the breakdown of carotenes, the orange pigments in carrot roots. It affects the formation and maintenance of skin, mucous membranes, bones, and teeth, vision and reproduction. In addition dietary Vitamin A, in the form of beta carotene, an antioxidant, may help reduce the risk of certain cancers. However, beta carotene is much more than the precursor for vitamin A.
Only so much beta carotene can be changed into vitamin A, and that which is not changed contributes to boosting the immune system and is also a potent antioxidant.

1 + 1 = 2
It's not going to change just because you're a Carrot Cake Hater.

Reduced Night Vision due to Vitamin A Deficiency
+
Ingestion of Vitamin A from Carrot Cake
=
Better Night Vision due to No Vitamin A Deficiency

Not only are your "facts" in dispute, they're just getting LAME.

[ladron121]

Honestly Lad, go learn to read, and then read history. The German CHILDREN were not the ones attacking Britain. They did not need to have this myth perpetuated. Nor were the German children looking for a reason for the RAF's success at pinpointing German bombers. I see, however, that your statements demonstrate an implicit support for the practice of making child soldiers. Disgraceful.

It reinforced German folklore AND taught children to eat vegetables. Separate issues there Tilt. The folklore part is what kept the German military from investing any serious interest in other explainations. I'll await your apology for your baseless and personal attack on my literacy. This statement really hurt me, but I guess all humanity is set aside when you are defending your evil baked good.

You know, just because something is different from the way you expected it doesn't mean that it appears different on the surface. The hot pan looks just like the cold pan. Carrot cake from yellow/white/green carrots looks just like cake from orange carrots. I cannot vouch for purple carrots since, unlike the carrot cake haters, I do not make assumptions regarding things I know little about.

I did not say the cake would look different as a whole, dear. However, those little chunks of orange that I see in EVERY carrot cake are carrots, yes? Show me a cake with purple or yellow or white chunks in with the spice cake please. But again, right to the personal attacks. Usually people with no actual defense for their position resort to such tactics.

And I sleep very well, thank you for asking. My easy sleep habits are most likely rooted in the volunteer work I do daily, cooking and distributing carrot cake to underprivileged children.

Rounding up the children eh. I guess the squeaky cog gets the grease right Tilt? I feel sorry for those children.

[FallingIntoSin]

Ooooh, Sphinx, nice burn!

[ladron121]

1 + 1 = 2
It's not going to change just because you're a Carrot Cake Hater.

Reduced Night Vision due to Vitamin A Deficiency
+
Ingestion of Vitamin A from Carrot Cake
=
Better Night Vision due to No Vitamin A Deficiency

Not only are your "facts" in dispute, they're just getting LAME.

Wow, more personal attacks from the carrot cake supporters. I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I have to expect this from someone who allows her child to be used for the purposes of propaganda.

And your math is wrong.

Reduced Night Vision due to Vitamin A Deficiency
+
Ingestion of Vitamin A from ANY SOURCE OF VITAMIN A
=
THE EXACT SAME VISION YOU HAD WHEN YOU STARTED OUT, ITS NOT AN IMPROVEMENT TO GO BACK TO THE BASE LEVEL!

That's like saying that if you deprive yourself of fluids for 2 days, then drink a soda and the little bit of water that is in it saves your life, that soda saved your life and will save everyone's life no matter what.

And so your propaganda machine rolls on...fear for the children everyone

[Jewelybug]

You people are OUT OF CONTROL. get a grip

[horcruxes]

Gah, too much info for me to digest, but in other news, I'm giving away free Carrot Hater Shots!

OOO!!! can i have one?


/me pats herself on the back for reviving the carrot cake thread....

[sphinx]

And speaking of someone needing to read up on their history:

And lets be careful about throwing claims of racism around, since it seems that the history of carrots (the evil root that they are) is steeped in racism. They actively bred them to end diversity and please a tyrannical monarchy!!!

* Hundreds of years ago carrots weren't just orange — they came in all kinds of colors, including green, white and even purple.

* In the 17th century, Dutch growers crossed pale yellow carrots with red ones to produce orange carrots. Why? To curry favor with the Dutch monarchy, "The House of Orange."

So not only are those who appreciate carrots, and the "cakes" they inhabit, liars, but propaganda peddlers, racists, and hate democracy too.

This is just crazy talk.

The orange Western carrot emerged in the Netherlands in the 15th or 16th century, its orange color making it popular in those countries as an emblem of the House of Orange and the struggle for Dutch independence.

It was during the 80 Years War, and became a symbol AGAINST tyranny and Spanish repression. It was a symbol of independence!

And as for the different colors of carrots, I personally have eaten white carrots, and can purchase purple ones at a local vegetable market.
The main reason we do not see different colored carrots in North America is because of the different climate and soil conditions needed to grow them. To suggest that the diversity of carrots does not still exist today is an outright lie.