Lonelygirl15

SARAHPHOBIA88 wrote:

thelogicpuzzler wrote:That handwriting looks feminine. I don't know how handwriting can look feminine and not masculine, but it does look like how my female friends write. I know Bree could differentiate her "dad's" handwriting from her "mom's", but still... she might not have found it important which one of her "parents" wrote it, but under stress, we believe anything we want to. Don't listen to me, that might not even be relevant.

Interesting theory. However, my husband, and several male friends prefer to write in caps as it is clearer to write for them. My B-I-L takes 1/2 hour to write 5 sentences and when he is done, EVERY letter is perfect. Most women I know use a mixture of cursive and print combined.
Just my opinion.

Yeah, true. But it still seems a little curvy, and almost too neat. It seems like it was not rushed. But, I am not saavy on intreperting handwriting, maybe someone else on the forum is.

ApotheosisAZ wrote:Daniel,

I know you said to PM you if we figured anything out. I really haven't, but I did want to share an hypothesis.

I think Bree's dad was pointing out the substance in her blood that makes her desired by The Order.

He said that contact would be "periodic," and then said that he left money on the "table."

Both statements aren't true, from what I remember. I remember that the money was found in P. Monkey, and that contact didn't occur regularly.

I think he was saying "Periodic Table," as in Periodic Table of the Elements. I think he might have been tipping us off as to what substance The Order is looking for in Bree's blood that makes her desirable for The Ceremony.

I am checking the Table for uncommon elements found in human blood. The most promising so far are Lanthanides, which are also called "rare earth elements." A couple of these are found in blood at the pg/mL amounts.

I remember that the money was in P.Monkey too. I thought maybe I was wrong, so I went back and checked. Bree definitely told us it was in P.Monkey. I think your idea is totally awesome.

When I read that, I thought Bree must have lied to us though. I couldn't think of why, except the Order in the wrong direction or something. But the Periodic Table thing makes a lot more sense. lol.

As for which element it points to, that may be in the note too. I think you are one to something. *high five*

So, to get started on my search for Bree's element, I looked up quantum electrodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Electrodynamics and superconductivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity).

First, I tried to find a connection between them:

Like ferromagnetism and atomic spectral lines, superconductivity is a quantum mechanical phenomenon. It cannot be understood simply as the idealization of "perfect conductivity" in classical physics.

I am not at all a science person, but I believe this means that superconductivity exists when more than one particle interact. (Scientists, correct me.)

Second, I looked for elements for which superconductivity is possible:

Superconductivity occurs in a wide variety of materials, including simple elements like tin and aluminium, various metallic alloys and some heavily-doped semiconductors. Superconductivity does not occur in noble metals like gold and silver, nor in most ferromagnetic metals.

Ferromagnetic materials are basically the metals with which common people are familiar and typically interact. Noble metals are basically the kinds used for jewelry. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong.)

In 1986 the discovery of a family of cuprate-perovskite ceramic materials known as high-temperature superconductors, with critical temperatures in excess of 90 kelvin, spurred renewed interest and research in superconductivity for several reasons.

Cuprate refers to Copper Oxide. Perovskite refers to Calcium Titanium Oxide (a relatively rare mineral on the Earth's crust). The American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) defines a ceramic article as “an article having a glazed or unglazed body of crystalline or partly crystalline structure, or of glass, which body is produced from essentially inorganic, non-metallic substances and either is formed from a molten mass which solidifies on cooling, or is formed and simultaneously or subsequently matured by the action of the heat.

Conventional superconductors usually have critical temperatures ranging from less than 1 K to around 20 K. Solid mercury, for example, has a critical temperature of 4.2 K. As of 2001, the highest critical temperature found for a conventional superconductor is 39 K for magnesium diboride (MgB2), although this material displays enough exotic properties that there is doubt about classifying it as a "conventional" superconductor. Cuprate superconductors can have much higher critical temperatures: YBa2Cu3O7, one of the first cuprate superconductors to be discovered, has a critical temperature of 92 K, and mercury-based cuprates have been found with critical temperatures in excess of 130 K. The explanation for these high critical temperatures remains unknown.

This leads me wonder about a cuprate superconductor may be possible, being that they seem most likely to appear in human blood.

Generalizations of these theories form the basis for understanding the closely related phenomenon of superfluidity (because they fall into the Lambda transition universality class), but the extent to which similar generalizations can be applied to unconventional superconductors as well is still controversial. The four-dimensional extension of the Ginzburg-Landau theory, the Coleman-Weinberg model, is important in quantum field theory and cosmology.

I wish I weren't so damn stupid. But this seems to connect the note to the many, many discussions regarding astronomy. Cosmology uses physics a lot to study the universe. Astronomy studied outer space, which obviously includes the universe.
As for the Quantum Field Theory, well, Wikipedia may put it better than I could:

Non-relativistic quantum field theories are needed in condensed matter physics— for example in the BCS theory of superconductivity. Relativistic quantum field theories are indispensable in particle physics (see the standard model), although they are known to arise as effective field theories in condensed matter physics.

In that year, Bednorz and Müller discovered superconductivity in a lanthanum-based cuprate perovskite material, which had a transition temperature of 35 K.

Apo mentioned Lanthanoids as being the best possible element the Order is looking for. THIS could be our answer!

Also, I really am sorry if this is all totally stupid. I'm a writer, not a scientist. I deserve madd props for trying to comprehend all of this.

danielbeast wrote:

You guys are great. Amazing research and thought! However, I think we've strayed a bit from the original note - let's focus on the actual note Daniel posted. There's obviously something odd about how each line is written. Some sentences cut half way and have only three words while other sentences are crammed in. That's just weird and not the way a person normally writes. But what could it mean?

The periodic table thing is a great find and definitely worth investigating further. Good thing I paid attention in science class!

I had my husband break this down into very basic terms. This is what I’m working with.

Quantum Electrodynamics
Electrons come in pairs.
When you change the spin of one, the other one automatically (and instantaneously) changes – even if they are separated by a great distance.
We can’t predict exact location of electrons, but can figure out where they will probably be.

What if electrons correspond to people? Possibly people separated by distance – something related to Lucy’s map?


Superconductivity
Increases energy flow.
The opposite of resistance.

Could relate to Bree’s Dad’s status with relation to the resistance (or possibly someone else’s relation to the resistance). Alternately, could refer to Bree’s blood becoming a superconductor as part of the ceremony. This could be literal, figurative, or both.


Periodic Table – still working on how this relates


Mary Poppins: “you can say it backwards, which is dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirupus”

Could Bree’s Dad be using a similar, unconventional backwards-speak?

JustAnotherLonelyGirl:

I was thinking along the same lines as you, only I started at the Lanthanum-based substance and as of right now I don't think I have reached the end of my thought line... but then again do we even know what we are trying to answer? I believe that it is part of the solution because, though some places say it's 35 K, there are quite a few that fluctuate from that. The Mary Poppins line has 34 letters in it, I manage to see a relation between these two. Then the two men who discovered this material got a nobel prize in physics in 1987. Then I flipped and went to the quantum electrodynamics and what do you know it Richard Feynman, one of the people Bree references in a vid, is quite known for his work in this field. He also got a nobel prize in physics for this work in 1965. 1987 minus 1965 = 22. And 22 is the number of letters in quantum electrodynamics. Here we reach my wall, these nobel prizes are given out by some royal academy in Sweden... I don't think they went to Sweden so I need to keep going...

toranoko wrote:JustAnotherLonelyGirl:

I was thinking along the same lines as you, only I started at the Lanthanum-based substance and as of right now I don't think I have reached the end of my thought line... but then again do we even know what we are trying to answer? I believe that it is part of the solution because, though some places say it's 35 K, there are quite a few that fluctuate from that. The Mary Poppins line has 34 letters in it, I manage to see a relation between these two. Then the two men who discovered this material got a nobel prize in physics in 1987. Then I flipped and went to the quantum electrodynamics and what do you know it Richard Feynman, one of the people Bree references in a vid, is quite known for his work in this field. He also got a nobel prize in physics for this work in 1965. 1987 minus 1965 = 22. And 22 is the number of letters in quantum electrodynamics. Here we reach my wall, these nobel prizes are given out by some royal academy in Sweden... I don't think they went to Sweden so I need to keep going...

That's very interesting (and much more understandable than my post).

As for what we are trying to answer, I have a feeling this will reveal the "trait" for which Julia is negative and Bree is positive.

This is so cool. Everything from way back when is coming together.
I'M EXCITED.

soccerstar wrote:

danielbeast wrote:

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There's obviously something odd about how each line is written. Some sentences cut half way and have only three words while other sentences are crammed in.
...

For instance, the spacing around the word "BE" in "BE STRONG BREE" is much larger than anywhere else.

Also, referring to Mary Poppins as "MS. POPPINS" probably has some typographical meaning. I would guess that the fact that there's a period in it is significant. Has anyone looked at how many letters appear between each period?

Be nice to me, this is my first post.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:

toranoko wrote:JustAnotherLonelyGirl:

I was thinking along the same lines as you, only I started at the Lanthanum-based substance and as of right now I don't think I have reached the end of my thought line... but then again do we even know what we are trying to answer? I believe that it is part of the solution because, though some places say it's 35 K, there are quite a few that fluctuate from that. The Mary Poppins line has 34 letters in it, I manage to see a relation between these two. Then the two men who discovered this material got a nobel prize in physics in 1987. Then I flipped and went to the quantum electrodynamics and what do you know it Richard Feynman, one of the people Bree references in a vid, is quite known for his work in this field. He also got a nobel prize in physics for this work in 1965. 1987 minus 1965 = 22. And 22 is the number of letters in quantum electrodynamics. Here we reach my wall, these nobel prizes are given out by some royal academy in Sweden... I don't think they went to Sweden so I need to keep going...

That's very interesting (and much more understandable than my post).

As for what we are trying to answer, I have a feeling this will reveal the "trait" for which Julia is negative and Bree is positive.

This is so cool. Everything from way back when is coming together.
I'M EXCITED.

I was excited when I got the line between the superconducitvity and the quantum electrodynamics.

As for this trait, the note was written before Julia's existance was known, so I don't know if that changes anything. What ever this trait is was measure in pico/something (I'm to tired to go look it up), I've kinda been keeping that as a separate puzzle in my mind but you never know.

Taylor posted on here saying that we should focus on how the lines are broken up so I think we should do that next.

Thought I just said that I may have hit something of said "trait" but I'm supposed to be asleep and I don't have enough time to look more stuff up and type that all up. Good night, hopefully I will be back tomorrow night.

Well yes, that is true. But even if Bree's dad didn't know about Julia, he may have known exactly what trait is desired for the Ceremony girl.

I think what we've found so far is still important. Taylor said that Apo's finding is "worth looking into further" and that is what I have done. So hopefully what I posted above will be useful in deciphering this.

Taylor did, also, mention the way the lines are written. But that doesn't mean the research about superconductivity and whatnot isn't important too. It's all going to connect to form the solution, IMO.

soccerstar wrote:

danielbeast wrote:

You guys are great. Amazing research and thought! However, I think we've strayed a bit from the original note - let's focus on the actual note Daniel posted. There's obviously something odd about how each line is written. Some sentences cut half way and have only three words while other sentences are crammed in. That's just weird and not the way a person normally writes. But what could it mean?

The periodic table thing is a great find and definitely worth investigating further. Good thing I paid attention in science class!

Your sister is sauce.

Every time I try to click the note to take another look at it, it pops too small to actually read the words. Is this just me?

blendedchaitea wrote:Every time I try to click the note to take another look at it, it pops too small to actually read the words. Is this just me?

It does with the quoted version. You have to go click the original from Danny B.

blendedchaitea wrote:Every time I try to click the note to take another look at it, it pops too small to actually read the words. Is this just me?

No, It's doing that for me, too.

Anyone have it saved full size somewhere?

EDIT: The original is doing it, too.

Nevermind, it's doing that for me too.

Here:

Chelseyrl wrote:

blendedchaitea wrote:Every time I try to click the note to take another look at it, it pops too small to actually read the words. Is this just me?

It does with the quoted version. You have to go click the original from Danny B.

Nope, I clicked the original from Daniel and it was still too tiny. It changed right after Taylor posted.

Can we have the original size back, pretty please? That way we can actually count the words. Unless there's a shape in the overall letter...Everyone tilt your head to the side!