Lonelygirl15

If Jonas isn't guilty... Will the friendship between him and Bree ever be the same? .. no..

"jonas is no more part of the order than i am" stuck out to me a lot. a lot.

just sayin'.

that was great acting btw

kellylen wrote:i want to kick brees ass so badly...

me too. this behaviour towards jonas is absurd
what will she do if she will find out that jonas doesn't do an order part? will she go back to sleep in the road???
I don't like at all what bree is doing, I find him really exaggerated

I think Jonas really does know more than he's letting on (him being connected to Order parents and not knowing it would be way more convenient than anythinge else about him ever was), but I'm not necessarily saying he's bad.

Even though I think he knows more than he's let on, I do have to agree with those who have said Bree's being a bitch. With all that was going on with her parents and the stuff that was in her house she didn't know crap about, for her to have reacted this way toward Jonas is terrible.

By her own logic, she's got to be the devil's daughter or something.

janesalteredstates wrote:

Sheqinah wrote:Hate the Blue language. Come On guys, this is not a license to be a potty mouth. Suddenly in the forum every one is turning into a sailor???

While I understand the situation might involve cussing, I wish they did bleep it out or cut it off.

f**k that!

Agreed. The choice language was far more realistic given the situation and the fact that this is a 19-year-old man in 2007.

longlostposter wrote:OK, I said this a couple pages back, and I'm going to repost it.

I think "bitch" is the word that triggers Daniel.

Way too common a word. Just turning on tv or watching a movie would cause him to hear it, if he didn't hear it from Jonas or his own mind/mouth in the meantime.

(Jonas comes inside)
Daniel: "How's the weather out there? Looking pretty cold."
Jonas: "Yeah, man. It's a bitch."
Daniel: "Bweep! Bweep! Destroy! Destroy!"

sparrow wrote:Why is Daniel acting so powerless? Come on, son, grow a pair and call Tachyon. Bree is clearly going over the deep end with this, and I don't trust a 16-year-old girl with the weight of somebody's life.

Or a 17-year-old in this case?

AM wrote:A few thoughts: Jonas has already admitted that the artwork was his parents' and has always been there as long as he can remember so someone planting it is not a realistic option.

The idea that Jonas is coincidentally connected to the order is ridiculously far fetched. That would be about as plausible as me offering Bree and Daniel help and me turning out to be part of the order. Such a ridiculous coincidence that it would be eyerollingly far fetched.

...

However, I seem to be completely in the minority here. *Sigh*

Nope, I agree. He may not be a bad guy, but he definitely knows more than he's saying.

ericski wrote:maybe jonas's function is to get between daniel and bree to split them apart. bree seems to really need daniel. the order took daniel as a way to make bree "choose" the ceremony. she relys on him as her only connection to when things were normal. getting daniel out of the picture by pitting the two against each other by any means may be jonas's whole purpose for the order. i was initially against them going to jonas, but came around when he didn't fling open the door in the night for the order to take them or whatever. but his role may be to subtley split them apart. leaving bree vulnerable to order persuasion.

Were that his mission he would have never invited Daniel to his house and begged him to come there after he and Bree split up the first time.

longlostposter wrote:

kellylen wrote:but the arg and the series are mixed together now

That's true, but if it comes to a choice between what Bree said in an actual video; and what Tachyon said in an email on YT, and in drop clues, I'm going with Bree.

The ARG isn't fanfiction. It's as much official as anything in the vlogs.

Even if you could cherry pick this thing, Bree was largely ignorant of most everything about the Order for a very long time, and her pre-Bree's Dad's death knowledge is probably about as reliable a source as Owen. Additionally, in the video you reference, Bree herself points out that the meaning she'd been taught for the acronym didn't make any obvious sense:

"There was a saying when I was a kid, I think I talked about it once before. OpAPHID. It's um, Acknowledge their Position and Help Initiate a Dialogue. Kind of a way for us to communicate with outsiders, although I don't know how this whole kidnapping and spying thing fits in."

In any event, OpAphid herself has said that meaning was just something they taught to the children in the Order. It's not the true meaning.

Couldnt agree more.

I get a real sense that Jonas feels like he's been wronged. He's done nothing but help Bree and Daniel this whole time and now they're treating him like the enemy. I'd be pissed and cursing too! And Bree does not need to try and tackle this herself. They need Tachyon, even if it's just to explain some things to Jonas.

Only thing that kind of caught me is that he did bring up the hike. Maybe that means he really does have some feelings for Bree? Even if they are just as a close friend? I dunno, just spittin it out.

LOVED Jackson/Jonas acting is this one. Amazing. He's extremely hot when pissed.... lol

I think the #1 thing that should happen next: check Jonas's cell phone and see exactly WHO he was calling (was it just to open the cabin, or was it someone else... he called 2-3 times, very very suspicous).

Great idea !! I hope someone answers and it's not disconnected. I just wonder who he was calling anyway!

Languorous Lass wrote:

ShardinsKitten wrote:not just because of the voice but the whole thing pretty much feels like an OP video, it's the voice modification, the choppy cuts, the eye shots. All together, it feels like an OP video, at least IMO

More important, it sounds like the "DannyB" vid. Right? And we've been assuming that Oppy uploaded that vid, but was it uploaded on Daniel's account? Maybe "DannyB," Daniel's alternate, Op-mole persona, uploaded both vids.

heh that thought didn't occur to me last night. But you are right, we don't know that DB didn't for sure up load his hostage video, we all just assumed it was OP since she had him and it was more her style and not DBs... good idea

to tell ya the truth. if Jonas WAS lying, he would be calm and not angry. I definitely think he's telling the truth....

let's put the pieces together. The way I see it, I feel as if Jonas' parents may be the ones Running the Order, is why they're so rich and always travel... Of course they wouldn't raise Jonas like Bree because there really is no need for him to know much about what they do because it would be to complicated for Jonas to understand.

I don't by the whole "lost at sea" thing. If anything, his parents are still alive and felt that they never wanted him to be apart of what they were doing because of how bad it's gotten. So they disappeared. Leaving him with all the money and resources that he needs. I mean how the heck is he able to constantly pay for the house bills, car bills.. phone bills... with no job. He doesn't know how he gets it, he just knows that he does. He's probably the heir to The Order throne, but doesn't even know it...

It's no wonder why they can't touch Bree when she's under Jonas' roof... Bree's just a blind lonely girl. The first time she discovers something, she gets it completely wrong and snaps!? She may think she's on to something, but I wouldn't be too mad if Jonas' decides to kick their asses out as soon as they un-tie him. But then again I love watching him on the series!

ShardinsKitten wrote:

Languorous Lass wrote:

ShardinsKitten wrote:not just because of the voice but the whole thing pretty much feels like an OP video, it's the voice modification, the choppy cuts, the eye shots. All together, it feels like an OP video, at least IMO

More important, it sounds like the "DannyB" vid. Right? And we've been assuming that Oppy uploaded that vid, but was it uploaded on Daniel's account? Maybe "DannyB," Daniel's alternate, Op-mole persona, uploaded both vids.

heh that thought didn't occur to me last night. But you are right, we don't know that DB didn't for sure up load his hostage video, we all just assumed it was OP since she had him and it was more her style and not DBs... good idea

no daniel said his account was hacked by oppy but hes changed his password now

i think lol

whether jonas is in the order or not, bree is totally handling this wrong.

She coulda gotten a lot more out of jonas had she been suspicious of him and just spied on him. Then she could catch him in the act. I mean seriously.

gotta agree with onesweetavenue

And if you were Jonas, would you ever confess to being a part of the order now? With bree being this crazy and after all they've done to her? If she thinks she's going to get something out of him this way, no threat is going to work.

If he is a part of the order adn confesses this to her, she might kill him, or at least abandon him and leave the option for death.

So right now his best options are to deny it - whether he's guilty or innocent. They won't ever be able to be sure one way or the other whether he's part of the order unless tachyon is able to drudge some stuff up, and that ensures he'll at least survive that long.

Also, bree has completely broken ties with Jonas. If he's innocent and they find out he's innocent, Jonas shouldn't want to help them anymore. Unless, of course, we find out his parents were killed or taken by the order and he stays with bree only to fight the order.

because this shit is ridiculous. Watching him silently like whenever he was on "guard" (weren't they all supposed to take turns staying up all night?) would have been so smart.

I'm starting to think DB helped Bree get Jonas tied down... that's how she did it, I mean she couldn't of got him in a chair all tied up like that alone (this has been pointed out a few times already) but...

Jonas: Have you and Bree lost your minds? I mean just, please, untie me.

Daniel: I can't right now, okay?

Jonas: I would've never done this to you.

Jonas: You're a bitch. Let me ask you this, Daniel.

Daniel: What's that, man?

Jonas: Is this because of the hike? Maybe you just did all this to get me out of the way so you got Bree all to yourself.

There's also the suggestion Jonas makes about DB killing him. I realize he was angry and maybe not thinking too straight. But it would make sense if DB did help tie him down. And I know in the quotes it could also be interpreted as Jonas wouldn't of left DB tied up, but still something to think about I think.

Does anyone else think that Jonas believes Daniel planted the symbol in order to get him away from Bree? I distinctly got that feeling.

Also, if Daniel is under the influence of the Order, he could have planted it, and not remember doing it. They may be able to 'switch him on and off', so to speak.

Why would Jonas confess that it has been there all of his life if Daniel planted it?