0145 - Proving Bree Wrong - [3/4/07]

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:18 pm

jeezy wrote:
Lurker wrote:
jeezy wrote:Yeah it is the same night... but the videos are supposed to be in like real time...
It's never been suggested that the videos occur in real time. In fact, it's always been shown to be the opposite (vid descriptions saying it's been a while since something happened, or the characters saying they used an internet cafe to upload a video, etc.).

The premise has always been that this is a vlog.
I didn't mean real time, as when the videos were posted... but as if the story line is always occuring... even when videos aren't made...

My bad.

You're right about that. I don't know who posted the video, but from the description, it seems like a safe bet that the three of them have been talking.

jeezy · Post by **jeezy** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:20 pm

Lurker wrote:
jeezy wrote:
Lurker wrote:
jeezy wrote:Yeah it is the same night... but the videos are supposed to be in like real time...
It's never been suggested that the videos occur in real time. In fact, it's always been shown to be the opposite (vid descriptions saying it's been a while since something happened, or the characters saying they used an internet cafe to upload a video, etc.).

The premise has always been that this is a vlog.
I didn't mean real time, as when the videos were posted... but as if the story line is always occuring... even when videos aren't made...
My bad.

You're right about that. I don't know who posted the video, but from the description, it seems like a safe bet that the three of them have been talking.

What do you think about this Jonas and Bree being siblings idea?

joygasm · Post by **joygasm** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:44 pm

I have been thinking that Jonas and Bree were siblings for a while now. There really seems to be something between the two of them, but I really don't see it as sexual for either of them. Even the skateboarding vid, or even snow angels... yes, they seem to have a real connection... but... it just seems to me that it is all leading up to them being related.

periblue3 · Post by **periblue3** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:45 pm

Hi all,

I'm new here, and I may be reading way too much into this(as has been said before, the creators love to make us do that!!!), but does the pic in the attic look to anyone else like a head shot of the pic of aleister crowley that bree had above her shrine? Like if you were to crop it so that it only showed his head? I was gonna post the pic, but I can't get my comp to cooperate (I'm pretty much tech retarded!) but I'm sure most of you know which pic I'm talking about. I you want you can google Aleister crowley pictures, and it'll come up there for a better look. I dunno, I'm probably wrong, but that was my 1st thought when I saw it.

jeezy · Post by **jeezy** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:47 pm

joygasm wrote:I have been thinking that Jonas and Bree were siblings for a while now. There really seems to be something between the two of them, but I really don't see it as sexual for either of them. Even the skateboarding vid, or even snow angels... yes, they seem to have a real connection... but... it just seems to me that it is all leading up to them being related.

It would be a good story twist...

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:48 pm

jeezy wrote:What do you think about this Jonas and Bree being siblings idea?

I see it as a decent possibility (and a better one than some other suggestions). I don't see it as likely, or even think that there's much (read: any) evidence for it, but it's still a better possibility than a lot of other things.

The only potential major problem with it I can see is that if he does turn out to be her brother and his parents did have a connection to the Order (either as operatives or opponents), if he didn't know about any of it and still invited Bree and Daniel into his home, then it becomes a bit hard to swallow something that convenient.

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:51 pm

itsmeforreal wrote:
iamcool wrote: why would it cut off there?

if daniel caught him, why would they cut it off
if he never, why would jonas cut it off

it makes no sense to me
I really don't know. people seem to think db caught him and now they are all three back together, but the video info doesn't seem to reflect that.

"I decided to take matters in my own hands. This actually happened the other day, but it's been chaos here and I only had a chance to upload it now. "

I see alot of 'I' and no 'We' so that gives me the impression that jonas is not joined back with the twosome yet...

maybe it's more like :harp music to imagination sequence:

Jonas: Aw shit! :run then turn off camera:
Daniel: :chases Jonas and finally corners him: :harsh whisper: LISTEN TO ME, DAMMIT!
Jonas: No! you guys are f-ed up!!
Daniel: shut the hell up; I'm sorry, okay? When you ran like that earlier, Bree... I think she snapped to. I know that look; she realizes how nutso she's been and--
Jonas: yeah, crazy bitch...
Daniel: :pops Jonas' nose: AND SHE'S SORRY! Dude, what if you knew someone you thought took your parents away from you?? Would you just be all Dr Phil and hug it out??
Jonas: :silent for a minute: she really back to normal?
Daniel: :laugh: as normal as SHE gets.
Jonas: :half-smile: guess I can't blame her too much; I don't think I would have acted differently. So, what's the next step for us?
Daniel: Actually, you're just gonna sit tight for a lil bit.
Jonas: Say what?
Daniel: We can't say anything yet, but Tachyon is helping me and Bree investigate some things; you were right, your parents didn't seem to raise you like you were in the Order. But me and Bree? We both remember her parents and that camp and everything, so for a little bit, it's gonna be mainly the two of us.
Jonas: Oh... okay. But why'd you chase me?
Daniel: ...Needed to make sure you were okay.
Jonas :ala Dr Phil: : Ya know, Daniel, back on the farm, my dad had a sayin....

like that. Bree and Daniel need to work together because they're likely to have more memories of stuff that can connect to the Order than Jonas.

jeezy · Post by **jeezy** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:52 pm

Lurker wrote:
jeezy wrote:What do you think about this Jonas and Bree being siblings idea?
I see it as a decent possibility (and a better one than some other suggestions). I don't see it as likely, or even think that there's much evidence for it, but it's still a better possibility than a lot of other things.

The only potential major problem with it I can see is that if he does turn out to be her brother and his parents did have a connection to the Order (either as operatives or opponents), if he didn't know about any of it and still invited Bree and Daniel into his home, then it becomes a bit hard to swallow something that convenient.

Yeah that would be a little too convinient... You have a good way of looking at things...

Where would you say, that symbol have come from?

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:59 pm

Lurker wrote:
jeezy wrote:What do you think about this Jonas and Bree being siblings idea?
I see it as a decent possibility (and a better one than some other suggestions). I don't see it as likely, or even think that there's much (read: any) evidence for it, but it's still a better possibility than a lot of other things.

The only potential major problem with it I can see is that if he does turn out to be her brother and his parents did have a connection to the Order (either as operatives or opponents), if he didn't know about any of it and still invited Bree and Daniel into his home, then it becomes a bit hard to swallow something that convenient.

like the manga "XXX Holic" says, "there is no coincidence; only fate". perhaps he really does know a LITTLE about the Order, but is hoping Bree can help HIM. Like, what if his mom was pregnant and conveniently "lost the baby" while on yet another "vacation" and he sees Bree's about similar age...

everyone here has secrets.

jeezy · Post by **jeezy** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:02 pm

Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote:
Lurker wrote:
jeezy wrote:What do you think about this Jonas and Bree being siblings idea?
I see it as a decent possibility (and a better one than some other suggestions). I don't see it as likely, or even think that there's much (read: any) evidence for it, but it's still a better possibility than a lot of other things.

The only potential major problem with it I can see is that if he does turn out to be her brother and his parents did have a connection to the Order (either as operatives or opponents), if he didn't know about any of it and still invited Bree and Daniel into his home, then it becomes a bit hard to swallow something that convenient.
like the manga "XXX Holic" says, "there is no coincidence; only fate". perhaps he really does know a LITTLE about the Order, but is hoping Bree can help HIM. Like, what if his mom was pregnant and conveniently "lost the baby" while on yet another "vacation" and he sees Bree's about similar age...

everyone here has secrets.

That is true... I guess we can't really rule anyting out... and fate is something to always to keep in mind... but the storyline never really suggest that fate has a role in this... but then again it is a possibility...

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:11 pm

jeezy wrote:Yeah that would be a little too convinient... You have a good way of looking at things...

Thanks.

jeezy wrote:Where would you say, that symbol have come from?

I really haven't a clue. We know so little - other than that it's probably something his parents understood - that it's really not possible to form any theories.

Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote:like the manga "XXX Holic" says, "there is no coincidence; only fate". perhaps he really does know a LITTLE about the Order, but is hoping Bree can help HIM. Like, what if his mom was pregnant and conveniently "lost the baby" while on yet another "vacation" and he sees Bree's about similar age...

everyone here has secrets.

If they are siblings, I'm hoping Jonas had some idea like that in mind.

I don't think that really fits with the concept of fate, though, which would more imply that Jonas didn't have any idea.

jeezy wrote:That is true... I guess we can't really rule anyting out... and fate is something to always to keep in mind... but the storyline never really suggest that fate has a role in this... but then again it is a possibility...

I agree. Fate hasn't been inferred as a theme or plot device heretofore.

sodvest · Post by **sodvest** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:32 pm

okay... if they caught him... why did he put up the vid? And like some people are saying... if they didnt, why didnt he say so at the end?

jeezy · Post by **jeezy** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:37 pm

sodvest wrote:okay... if they caught him... why did he put up the vid? And like some people are saying... if they didnt, why didnt he say so at the end?

You make really good points.... The way the video ends makes no sense... What do you think?

sodvest · Post by **sodvest** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:42 pm

*Honestly*... I think that the creators wanted a climax ending, and it doesn't mean anything...

... but thats the P.A. talking.

'Did anyone watch Danny's last vid before this one? I thought we maybe missed Jonas in the background (cuz he has DB making *his* vid through the window)... no dice though. *That* woulda been interesting too....

HisGirl · Post by **HisGirl** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:43 pm

some points:

1st- Clearly time is elapsing as Jonas is spying on Daniel. It's conceivable that Daniel uploaded his vid before he went and found Jonas in the attic (or didn't find him?)

2nd-"Up here is where they stored all my parents' stuff".... who is "they" ?

3rd- It's not surprising that Jonas (or someone?) uploaded a video without telling us how it ends- this happens a lot and has yet to hold any clues of the outcome... ie: the shots fired in the parking lot. though they could have said something like "we're all okay, bree's dad is dead... more later" they left us hanging for a while. It's a way to keep the addiction alive!