Lonelygirl15

thejyav wrote:

zzfoxfirezz wrote:

Killthesmiley wrote:

SuggestionDiabolique wrote:is it possible the creators are taking ideas from these spinoffs to create suspision?

yea they ave been sasying all along that they might do so...

but this is too odd... there are a lot of things connecting them all now

So perhaps the creators have not told us everything that is canon? Some of the spinoffs may not really be spinoffs, but part of the main storyline... or at least there to point us in the right direction?

this risks getting way to involved and in the end only satisfying a very small number of people who have bothered to follow all the multiple stories

lonelygirl wrote:

omegawoman wrote:

Inigo wrote:I would really like to know how Nikki Bower found the box with the symbol a few weeks ago and what's it got to do with the story.

Nikki has inside information- she has a source.

Bree thought Gemma was wrong last time, I wonder what she will think this time?

so then we really can't give credit to Nikki Bower for finding it because she didn't. and i was still right about none of the people on here noticing the symbol but that's kind of hard to see.

tryon wrote:

iqfrenzy wrote:All of this confuses me...wouldn't it be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts? I mean, wouldn't a decision to move a limb begin in the brain anyway? We already know that parts of the body move in response to a cue from the brain. The brain is where the decision-making process takes place within the body; not some outside controlling force.

Am I being too simplistic here? Forgive me, if so, but I just don't get it.

Just that normally when we think of the relation between action and will, we tend to think that the latter (desire or will), precedes the former, and acts as sort of a motivating force. Like the thought "I want to move my finger" would precede the electrical impulse to move that finger. But scientists have found that our brains actually tell our bodies to move before we even come up with the desire to move, thereby throwing the whole concept of free will into question. All this is possibly a dead end, and maybe I've confused you more?

spaciegirl wrote:By the way...this is getting lamer and lamer in my opinion and if Nikki Bower is cannon, I'm going to ship the creators a bucket of my vomit on dry ice and that will be the last they hear of me.

spaciegirl wrote:

thinkitthrough wrote:I was told from reliable sources that they wish to do this indefinitely if at all possible.

For the love of god, WHO????? Who told you that? That's the efiin' question I've been asking and no one has an answer!! Don't say "reliable sources"...are you like Nikki?? WHO??

tryon wrote:I'd be curious to hear more from those of you who think that the people in suits/watchers are not there to abduct Bree, but are waiting for her to come to a decision (apparently) freely. Were you referring specifically to her decision to participate in the ceremony?

Not neccessarily....well, kind of. I think that when contact is made between her and them, they are going to manipulate her or trick her into doing what they want. I think it's more ideal, for all involved, if she "willingly" cooperates. Even if they have to bribe her...or blackmail her, they want her to think she has some power so that she'll be willing to negotiate with them. I think that if she is uncompromising and resistant, it's going to be messy for everyone...and they'd rather not have things escalate to that point.

spaciegirl wrote:By the way...this is getting lamer and lamer in my opinion and if Nikki Bower is cannon, I'm going to ship the creators a bucket of my vomit on dry ice and that will be the last they hear of me.

zzfoxfirezz wrote:

Killthesmiley wrote:

SuggestionDiabolique wrote:is it possible the creators are taking ideas from these spinoffs to create suspision?

yea they ave been sasying all along that they might do so...

but this is too odd... there are a lot of things connecting them all now

So perhaps the creators have not told us everything that is canon? Some of the spinoffs may not really be spinoffs, but part of the main storyline... or at least there to point us in the right direction?

tryon wrote:

trainer101 wrote: I believe her ultimate decision entails a commitment to something much greater - the ceremony is symbolic of whatever that may be.

...to be something like a puppet master, or maybe just another puppet? Been spending the early part of my Friday night brooding over what the (illusion) of free will business had to do with the plot, and it reminded me of a program I heard on Radio Lab (any other armchair science dorks out there?) about how neurologists have shown that free will could very well be an illusion our minds conjure up, moments after the brain has already sent signals to move certain body parts.

See http://www.johnhorgan.org/work13.htm on faith and free will

When neurologists make patients' limbs jerk by electrically zapping certain regions of their brains, the patients often insist they meant to move that arm, and they even invent reasons why. Neurologists call these erroneous, post hoc explanations confabulations, but Dr. Wegner prefers the catchier "intention inventions." He suggests that whenever we explain our acts as the outcome of our conscious choice, we are engaging in intention invention, because our actions actually stem from countless causes of which we are completely unaware.

He cites experiments in which subjects pushed a button whenever they chose while noting the time of their decision as displayed on a clock. The subjects took 0.2 seconds on average to push the button after they decided to do so. But an electroencephalograph monitoring their brain waves revealed that the subjects' brains generated a spike of brain activity 0.3 seconds before they decided to push the button.

Cool fun fact, if nothing else.

JacksAndDouches wrote:

khjq wrote:Have we ever got a good look at Daniel's hands?

well Gemma said the reference she used included different markings on different parts of hte body....I do not believe Daniel would be a Watcher. I do not know where one would find such a chart, but perhaps if we got a look, and found one with dirty feet, we would know his designation

thejyav wrote:

JacksAndDouches wrote:

khjq wrote:Have we ever got a good look at Daniel's hands?

well Gemma said the reference she used included different markings on different parts of hte body....I do not believe Daniel would be a Watcher. I do not know where one would find such a chart, but perhaps if we got a look, and found one with dirty feet, we would know his designation

other parts of the body...he doesn't ever want to get in the water..thus taking his shirt off...

christof wrote:

...to be something like a puppet master, or maybe just another puppet? Been spending the early part of my Friday night brooding over what the (illusion) of free will business had to do with the plot, and it reminded me of a program I heard on Radio Lab (any other armchair science dorks out there?) about how neurologists have shown that free will could very well be an illusion our minds conjure up, moments after the brain has already sent signals to move certain body parts.

See http://www.johnhorgan.org/work13.htm on faith and free will

When neurologists make patients' limbs jerk by electrically zapping certain regions of their brains, the patients often insist they meant to move that arm, and they even invent reasons why. Neurologists call these erroneous, post hoc explanations confabulations, but Dr. Wegner prefers the catchier "intention inventions." He suggests that whenever we explain our acts as the outcome of our conscious choice, we are engaging in intention invention, because our actions actually stem from countless causes of which we are completely unaware.

He cites experiments in which subjects pushed a button whenever they chose while noting the time of their decision as displayed on a clock. The subjects took 0.2 seconds on average to push the button after they decided to do so. But an electroencephalograph monitoring their brain waves revealed that the subjects' brains generated a spike of brain activity 0.3 seconds before they decided to push the button.

Cool fun fact, if nothing else.

sororyzbl wrote: I was thinking more of the Book of Enoch. The Watchers were the a group of angels called the B'nai Elohim, who sired the Nephilim.

The legend of the Watchers is much much much older than anything in pop culture. Cooler, too.