Translation: they somehow make life.

[Lurker]

3. Even if somehow you could get a Crowley with cloning, the clone would be a baby. He wouldn't have any of the memories or life experiences that made up the original Crowley. He would be his own person.

But raise him to think that he is the same Crowley reincarnated and he'll be the exact same person. Make him read everything about "himself" and jam all of "his" past thoughts into his head. By nature he'd be a different person, but by nurture he'd become the same as the Crowley before.

I think it would actually be his nature aspects that would be the same (same DNA) and the nurture aspects that would be different. You couldn't make the exact same person without them going through identical life experiences, which wouldn't be possible, especially if he's being told from the time he's little that he's a reincarnated prophet.

[sack36]

besides, there are too many factors to control. For one, when crowley was around there was no television and no internet. Those two items in and of themselves would make the process completely impossible to replicate.

As for his nature aspects, even they would be different. Or perhaps I should say seem different. Look at it this way: an intelligent young man is raised with every opportunity to learn. He is encouraged and taught from early babyhood. As an adult, he will actually be smarter than if he had been ignored and beaten down as a child. Nature without nurture is meaningless.

[LittleChickie]

Okay. You two are the smart ones. Mez going to shut up and just watch. ha

[The_CW]

I think it would actually be his nature aspects that would be the same (same DNA) and the nurture aspects that would be different. You couldn't make the exact same person without them going through identical life experiences, which wouldn't be possible, especially if he's being told from the time he's little that he's a reincarnated prophet.

That's exactly right. I'm glad I decided to not sleep in AP Psych. this year. Haha.

[Spades]

Moon Child, man!

Wow, I just remembered I own that game... Damn, that was a long time ago. Now I feel old.

[sororyzbl]

heres what I think...

I think they are doing experiments to try and create an asexual human being. For example, in order to have a baby, you dont need to have sex. AKA "women wont need men"

And also, havent you noticed that all the main order members so far (Brees mom, Lucy, Alex, Oppy) have all been FEMALE. And Im thinking that any baby thats going to be created by ribozymes would be female as well..

In other words, I think the order is just some dirty feminist organization thats trying to make the male race extinct on the earth....

(and if anyones wondering. I think the watchers are just in it for the money lol)

oh you know, I heard that for real somewhere. I forget where, but something about fertilizing an egg from marrow or something. So yeah, men, we don't need you anymore LOL

[SARAHPHOBIA88]

3. Even if somehow you could get a Crowley with cloning, the clone would be a baby. He wouldn't have any of the memories or life experiences that made up the original Crowley. He would be his own person.

But raise him to think that he is the same Crowley reincarnated and he'll be the exact same person. Make him read everything about "himself" and jam all of "his" past thoughts into his head. By nature he'd be a different person, but by nurture he'd become the same as the Crowley before.

He would still be hisself, a child with no memories of Crowley. He is not the re-incarnation, but the clone of...Crowley. Others would have to convince him he is Crowley, and he would either accept it or rebel against it.

[Spades]

I still think HoO is a front and watchers are mercs. The religion is not big enough to make that much money (I think...).

They are just trying to make cash on the side for unethical experiments, and create the perfect employees for the job:

1. They have pledged their lives to the job, even if they do not get paid.

2. They will keep the upmost secrecy.

Only high-rollers for HoO would have any real idea on what was going on, therefore minamizing the chances for leaks, people selling secrets, etc. Plus, most of the followers get to sing to eternal song and be happy, and not paid.

That's just my take on it.

[SARAHPHOBIA88]

heres what I think...

I think they are doing experiments to try and create an asexual human being. For example, in order to have a baby, you dont need to have sex. AKA "women wont need men"

And also, havent you noticed that all the main order members so far (Brees mom, Lucy, Alex, Oppy) have all been FEMALE. And Im thinking that any baby thats going to be created by ribozymes would be female as well..

In other words, I think the order is just some dirty feminist organization thats trying to make the male race extinct on the earth....

(and if anyones wondering. I think the watchers are just in it for the money lol)

oh you know, I heard that for real somewhere. I forget where, but something about fertilizing an egg from marrow or something. So yeah, men, we don't need you anymore LOL

[The_CW]

He would still be hisself, a child with no memories of Crowley. He is not the re-incarnation, but the clone of...Crowley. Others would have to convince him he is Crowley, and he would either accept it or rebel against it.

Not exactly. The clone would look like Crowley, but it wouldn't actually BE Crowley. He would have the same genes, appearance, and almost the same tendencies, but he wouldn't be exactly the same. The real Crowley was who he was because of his genes, but also because of his life experiences. Therefore, no matter how much they told the clone that he was Crowley, and even if the clone accepted it, the clone wouldn't be the same entirely because there is no possible way to reproduce all the events from the real Crowley's life.

[LittleChickie]

oh you know, I heard that for real somewhere. I forget where, but something about fertilizing an egg from marrow or something. So yeah, men, we don't need you anymore LOL

Awww...can we keep the cute ones for toys at least? haha

[SARAHPHOBIA88]

He would still be hisself, a child with no memories of Crowley. He is not the re-incarnation, but the clone of...Crowley. Others would have to convince him he is Crowley, and he would either accept it or rebel against it.

Not exactly. The clone would look like Crowley, but it wouldn't actually BE Crowley. He would have the same genes, appearance, and almost the same tendencies, but he wouldn't be exactly the same. The real Crowley was who he was because of his genes, but also because of his life experiences. Therefore, no matter how much they told the clone that he was Crowley, and even if the clone accepted it, the clone wouldn't be the same entirely because there is no possible way to reproduce all the events from the real Crowley's life.

That's what I said. But, his acceptance would be as a "leader" of sorts. And his acceptance would also have to be how the public would see him.

[hella]

How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me.

they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on!

[LittleChickie]

How they go from "they catalyze their own synthesis" to "they somehow make life" is beyond me.

they catalyze their own synthesis...they replicate themselves...come on!

Geez..you could have said that nicer. Or ended it nicer.

[Breeze]

oh you know, I heard that for real somewhere. I forget where, but something about fertilizing an egg from marrow or something. So yeah, men, we don't need you anymore LOL

Awww...can we keep the cute ones for toys at least? haha

Hahahaha