Lonelygirl15

SARAHPHOBIA88 wrote:

Spades wrote:I hope Bree doesn't end up like that kid from SLC Punk who accidentely go water on the 500 or 50 hits of acid in his pocket.

What a horrible thought!


*goes to watch SLC Punk again for the 50 millionth time because it is such a cool movie, amongst many favorites.

Now I gotta go watch it too, lol.

Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote:<---The fun kind of Psycho

JanaL wrote:

Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote: ...well, will she be the fun kind of psycho?

I didn't know there was a fun type of psycho.

Hi. Name's Deb. And you are...?

You don't seem the psycho type... fun or not.. but I guess I gotta get to know you to find out!

My favorite technique for reversing the effects of brainwashing involves magic mushrooms, isolation, and de-programming. They can refuse to eat food but they can only refuse to drink for three days before de-hydration sets in. Blend in some mushies with an ensure drink and they shouldn't notice the taste or texture. While their tripping out the power of suggestion becomes a powerful tool for de-programing.

Although it may be an extreme measure which should be reserved for difficult cases, it can be very effective to shock them out of their brain washed state.....Although after the gang was drugged and thrown in a bath tub I doubt they'd be willing to try this method.

oxdeltaxo wrote:My favorite technique for reversing the effects of brainwashing involves magic mushrooms, isolation, and de-programming. They can refuse to eat food but they can only refuse to drink for three days before de-hydration sets in. Blend in some mushies with an ensure drink and they shouldn't notice the taste or texture. While their tripping out the power of suggestion becomes a powerful tool for de-programing.

Although it may be an extreme measure which should be reserved for difficult cases, it can be very effective to shock them out of their brain washed state.....Although after the gang was drugged and thrown in a bath tub I doubt they'd be willing to try this method.

oxdeltaxo wrote:My favorite technique for reversing the effects of brainwashing involves magic mushrooms, isolation, and de-programming. They can refuse to eat food but they can only refuse to drink for three days before de-hydration sets in. Blend in some mushies with an ensure drink and they shouldn't notice the taste or texture. While their tripping out the power of suggestion becomes a powerful tool for de-programing.

Although it may be an extreme measure which should be reserved for difficult cases, it can be very effective to shock them out of their brain washed state.....Although after the gang was drugged and thrown in a bath tub I doubt they'd be willing to try this method.

As a last resort option, if all other fails. I think they should decide NOT to do this.

oxdeltaxo wrote:My favorite technique for reversing the effects of brainwashing involves magic mushrooms, isolation, and de-programming. They can refuse to eat food but they can only refuse to drink for three days before de-hydration sets in. Blend in some mushies with an ensure drink and they shouldn't notice the taste or texture. While their tripping out the power of suggestion becomes a powerful tool for de-programing.

Although it may be an extreme measure which should be reserved for difficult cases, it can be very effective to shock them out of their brain washed state.....Although after the gang was drugged and thrown in a bath tub I doubt they'd be willing to try this method.

Wouldn't that kind of be like brainwashing her to the way they want her? Just drug her, and then say over and over again, "The Order is bad Bree, the Order is bad..."

BrightSilence wrote:

oxdeltaxo wrote:My favorite technique for reversing the effects of brainwashing involves magic mushrooms, isolation, and de-programming. They can refuse to eat food but they can only refuse to drink for three days before de-hydration sets in. Blend in some mushies with an ensure drink and they shouldn't notice the taste or texture. While their tripping out the power of suggestion becomes a powerful tool for de-programing.

Although it may be an extreme measure which should be reserved for difficult cases, it can be very effective to shock them out of their brain washed state.....Although after the gang was drugged and thrown in a bath tub I doubt they'd be willing to try this method.

As a last resort option, if all other fails. I think they should decide NOT to do this.

If all else fails, the "tripping" is actually only going to make the situation worse!
So...I agree with you BrightSilence!

I'm probably a minority, but who's to say that Bree's been programmed at all? I don't think she is.

Bree went with the order initially to prevent them from exploiting Jules for the ceremony. The boys found out Jules was trait negative AFTER she left.

Assuming that:
A.) Bree is still operating under the assumption that Jules is the ceremony girl and....
B.) Alex is responsible for the hidden messages in the videos

I think it's entirely possible that Bree made the videos willingly and that her desire to protect Jules from the order is strong enough that she would even fight off Daniel and Jonas in their attempt to rescue her.

It was just a suggestion, I don't recommend it for everyone. I especially don't recommend it for people who are allergic to penicillin.

raigne wrote:I'm probably a minority, but who's to say that Bree's been programmed at all? I don't think she is.

Bree went with the order initially to prevent them from exploiting Jules for the ceremony. The boys found out Jules was trait negative AFTER she left.

Assuming that:
A.) Bree is still operating under the assumption that Jules is the ceremony girl and....
B.) Alex is responsible for the hidden messages in the videos

I think it's entirely possible that Bree made the videos willingly and that her desire to protect Jules from the order is strong enough that she would even fight off Daniel and Jonas in their attempt to rescue her.

You have valid points. And I don't see you having a "minority opinion" in the matter.
No one knows why Bree decided to leave with Lucy. Who knows what she said to get her in the car? Who knows if Bree is faking, brainwashed, or participating uder duress? Who knows the intentions behind any of them right now?
To me, in my experience with where The Creators have gone with this, I see a familiarity. That is why I decided to post some useful techniques.
As Jonas and Sarah have mentioned in IC chat, it is going to take time with Bree. (And on Sarah's myspace)
So, I feel even more strongly now that something is definitely up in the case that either she has convinced herself or someone convinced her to do The Ceremony.
I guess we will see as the story unfolds!

SARAHPHOBIA88 wrote: To me, in my experience with where The Creators have gone with this, I see a familiarity. That is why I decided to post some useful techniques.
As Jonas and Sarah have mentioned in IC chat, it is going to take time with Bree. (And on Sarah's myspace)
So, I feel even more strongly now that something is definitely up in the case that either she has convinced herself or someone convinced her to do The Ceremony.
I guess we will see as the story unfolds!

I hadn't read that yet. And you're right, with how the story has gone so far, it's hard to get a benign explanation from what Sarah said about giving them space.

If it turns out to be that Bree has been brainwashed, then I don't think I like where The Creators are heading with the story. It's hard for me to know if this is more than just a personal opinion though. I think a major development like that could potentially cut off possibilities for tying up alot of loose ends.

raigne wrote:

SARAHPHOBIA88 wrote: To me, in my experience with where The Creators have gone with this, I see a familiarity. That is why I decided to post some useful techniques.
As Jonas and Sarah have mentioned in IC chat, it is going to take time with Bree. (And on Sarah's myspace)
So, I feel even more strongly now that something is definitely up in the case that either she has convinced herself or someone convinced her to do The Ceremony.
I guess we will see as the story unfolds!

I hadn't read that yet. And you're right, with how the story has gone so far, it's hard to get a benign explanation from what Sarah said about giving them space.

If it turns out to be that Bree has been brainwashed, then I don't think I like where The Creators are heading with the story. It's hard for me to know if this is more than just a personal opinion though. I think a major development like that could potentially cut off possibilities for tying up alot of loose ends.

I questioned The Creator's seminar. I was worried and concerned for participants, and all worked out well. The Creators even responded to demands from forum members to know the intentions behind the Seminar, and ensured the attendees were attending a safe event.
If Bree is brainwashed, it is an interesting storyline. If I had gone with my opinion with where this was going, I would have left a long time ago, lol.
I must ask, how do you see that possibility for tying up all loose ends?
Don't mind me, I just love a decent conversation.

She did seem very spaced out though. It didnt seem as if she was lucidly making the videos as a way to protect Jules if you get what I mean?

SARAHPHOBIA88 wrote:I must ask, how do you see that possibility for tying up all loose ends?

Suppose she's brainwashed. What, really, are the odds that a group of teenagers and reverse engineer it and bring her back? If they can, it's another unbelievable thing. Just as unbelievable as the human ransom video where none of the timing seemed to add up and the unlikely ability of someone, even with protection, to recover from a flashbang immediately. And then where do we go?

If she can't be brought back, she's one of them. What reason does Daniel have to continue in the story? Jonas? The only other plot point I see is dealing with Jonas' parents. Why would we find out what trait, exactly, Bree has? She's not divulging that information. What was the order's ultimate goal in using her?

Don't get me wrong, the story could get interesting, but I think the most believable line would be for Bree to be lucid and aware of the whole picture.

raigne wrote: The only other plot point I see is dealing with Jonas' parents.

I agree there!

Your other statements are very well thought too! It is difficult to consider changing someone who has fixed themselves in one direction. But, it can be done. If not, well it could just, as you said earlier, be a twist in the story line and another hole to fill.