Lonelygirl15

Magesa wrote:Bree has certainly gone through a huge character change, and her willingness to ask questions will certainly help her. However, she may be a little too aggressive now. The Creators don't want her perfect all of a sudden! She have gone a bit TOO far, and she can learn from that. Or maybe she's right, who knows?

frankenstein girl wrote:The vacation home belonged to Jonas's parents. Maybe they're the ones who were a part of the order. You would think Jonas would be if his parents were, too. But I don't know.

I guess we'll find out with time. Lots and lots of time.

Magesa wrote:

Lurker wrote:

autumneternal wrote:

Lurker wrote:She's very good, and is always one step ahead of everyone.

If she was one step ahead of everyone, I doubt she would have put herself in a position where she could be identified by one of the Order's own. She chided Brother for doing so with Gemma, I don't think Tachyon would be so careless.

That's why I find it incredibly hard to believe that Jonas is a part of the Order. Tachyon is always one step ahead.

Probably as good an argument as I've seen for why Jonas may be innocent in all this, actually.

Before I was 100% Jonas is bad, but that's a really good argument. However:

12 Reasons Why Jonas is Bad
1. That symbol is suspicious. Very very suspicious.
2. Why didn't Lucy catch him in the Human Ransom video? She was too close -- she should have caught him, if he were good.
3. Doesn't the whole "Watch This!" video make more sense if Jonas is bad? The whole thing looked staged, no one was really hurt, Jonas could easily have just been making a show.
4. He always seemed to underestimate the Order. "I mean, they're bad, right? After what they did to her Dad?" And he hestitated in "The Unthinkable Happened": because he didn't know what the Order wanted him to do?
5. He was too convenient. Way too convenient.
6. He was always trying to get Bree to open up.
7. He encouraged Daniel to get out of the house, go to Pins and Pints, and leave Bree. And get kidnapped.
8. He made a big show of taking a risk to look at the cowboy's van, but he never even though to look in the house.
9. In "Storm the Castle" he wants Bree to talk to him, tell him her plan, plan, and just "Storm the Castle." He wants to undermine a plan she may have and make a plan on his own terms.
10. He seemed very confused in "The Human Ransom." It didn't seem like he knew of the plan beforehand. Could Tachyon have warned Bree to keep it secret even from Jonas?
11. He used his cell phone. Not only was that stupid, but who did a friendless, childless parent have to call? Calling ahead??? To whom??? The Order, that's whom!
12. Lastly, Gemma wasn't always consistant, remember? A lot of her advice was quirky and bad (for Bree), but some of it baffles us: it just doesn't make sense if she wanted to help the Order. So Jonas=bad may not be totally consistant.

Even so, Tachyon sniffed Gemma out...

I'm still open to the "Jonas is with the Order, but he doesn't really believe in it/isn't as bad as the others/still likes Bree/Daniel a lot, so isn't totally bad. But I'm leaning towards bad. I'm sure we'll see his disposition in the next video, and that will be a huge clue to this.

EDIT: Reason number 13: Bree said that she asked a lot of questions, presumably to Jonas, and if that's so, then she probably got some answers back that proved her points. She is SO sure.

anniid wrote:

Magesa wrote:Before I was 100% Jonas is bad, but that's a really good argument. However:

12 Reasons Why Jonas is Bad
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ok before you read any of this, please note that I decided not to research in the forumns based on the time available to me.
those reasons make a good point.
I really think jonas is in the order, however, i think they're putting on another charade.
Jonas told Bree about his involvement and he told her that he wanted to stop, and this is how they are confusing the order.

silvermoon wrote:12 arguements against why Jonas is bad (cuz he's not, darn it!!)


1. That symbol is suspicious. Very very suspicious. If Tachy can plant something in his car, why can't Oppy plant something in his house to make him look bad?

2. Why didn't Lucy catch him in the Human Ransom video? She was too close -- she should have caught him, if he were good. Maybe she tripped and fell down the stairs....or maybe he pushed her!

3. Doesn't the whole "Watch This!" video make more sense if Jonas is bad? The whole thing looked staged, no one was really hurt, Jonas could easily have just been making a show. If they were staging it, why not let Jonas look like a big hero and have him fake punch out the Order guy? This would have cemented his and Bree's relationship.

4. He always seemed to underestimate the Order. "I mean, they're bad, right? After what they did to her Dad?" And he hestitated in "The Unthinkable Happened": because he didn't know what the Order wanted him to do? Until that point, he had never really had any run ins with the Order himself. He was shocked and confused and probably really afraid for the first time. It had finally hit him just how really bad the Order was.

5. He was too convenient. Way too convenient. Just furthering the plot. Why would Bree and Daniel go stay with a teenage girl who still lived with her parents in a trailer park? They couldn't stay on the street, they couldn't go home...just the Creators way of making it an easy choice for them.

6. He was always trying to get Bree to open up. Because he wants to know more about what's going on. She's holding out a lot of information and he (much like the rest of us!) wants to know the truth (because he doesn't already know!). He's put his home and life on the line for this girl and she's still holding out info.

7. He encouraged Daniel to get out of the house, go to Pins and Pints, and leave Bree. And get kidnapped. Then what was the point of the cowboy? Wasn't he hired to lead Daniel to the Order? What was the point of that? Why bring in an outsider if Jonas could have just as easily done the set up. Shoot, he could have just took Bree to a different part of the house to distract her and let the Order come in and take Daniel right out of the house! Why the big set up in front of witnesses?

8. He made a big show of taking a risk to look at the cowboy's van, but he never even though to look in the house. Bree didn't think to look in the house either. Maybe she's with the Order!! Taking a peak into a van in a public area is a lot less risk than breaking into someone's house when you don't know who or what could be in there. The guy could have had a dozen doberman's on watch!

9. In "Storm the Castle" he wants Bree to talk to him, tell him her plan, plan, and just "Storm the Castle." He wants to undermine a plan she may have and make a plan on his own terms. Or....he wants to know so he can help and support her!

10. He seemed very confused in "The Human Ransom." It didn't seem like he knew of the plan beforehand. Could Tachyon have warned Bree to keep it secret even from Jonas? And then bring him along? What would be the point of that? He could have easily thwarted the plan then as well as ahead of time.

11. He used his cell phone. Not only was that stupid, but who did a friendless, childless parent have to call? Calling ahead??? To whom??? The Order, that's whom! Or....the person who watches over the cabin off season, so that he could turn up the heat and stock it with food...and maybe a nice warm coat as a surprise for Bree! What a nice boy!

12. Lastly, Gemma wasn't always consistant, remember? A lot of her advice was quirky and bad (for Bree), but some of it baffles us: it just doesn't make sense if she wanted to help the Order. So Jonas=bad may not be totally consistant.
Ummmmm.....have you met Bree? The queen of inconsistant? More proof that she's in the Order!!

Kasdeja wrote:Yes, that's been discussed for quite some time...many feel it won't happen because it is too Star Wars. But, if you want to make it more interesting, Daniel is almost an orphan.

silvermoon wrote:LOL! Now that you mention it....Jonas tried to sway Daniel away from Bree (saying she kissed like a fish, dressing him up to go out to the bowling alley and meet a new girl). And Bree's never been into Daniel, no matter how much Daniel tried to get with her.

Yep. That's it. Danny B and Bree are brother and sister. Their names even rhyme!!

Lurker wrote:

silvermoon wrote:LOL! Now that you mention it....Jonas tried to sway Daniel away from Bree (saying she kissed like a fish, dressing him up to go out to the bowling alley and meet a new girl). And Bree's never been into Daniel, no matter how much Daniel tried to get with her.

Yep. That's it. Danny B and Bree are brother and sister. Their names even rhyme!!

I know this post was largely made in jest, but I'd just like to say Jonas encouraged Daniel's interest in Bree a lot. As for Bree's lack of interest in Daniel, there's no biological repellant for attraction to one's relatives.