Für Elise

[Lurker]

There already was a supposed clockwork orange reference in one of the episodes With the William Tell Overture... So another reference could be possible.

I don't think that was a Clockwork reference, Inigo. The William Tell Overture has been used quite a few times in various places when footage was in fast-forward or there was a tumultuous scene (Warner Brothers cartoons, for instance, used it for both purposes).

Sweetie, I would respond to this, but I have no idea what you're talking about. If it's comicbook stuff, I'm not a fan.

Indeed it is. If you ever get the notion to try "Runaways," I imagine you'd like it. Of course, I'd recommend everybody at least try it, but I think you specifically would probably like it.

[joygasm]

Für Elise in popular culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BCr_E ... ar_culture

Music

* Nas sampled Für Elise on his 2002 inspirational rap song "I Can."
* Für Elise was also used as a sample in the song "Same Script, Different Cast" by Whitney Houston and Deborah Cox which appeared on Whitney's Greatest Hits album.
* It also makes an appearance in John Zorn's arrangement of Ennio Morricone's "The Big Gundown" on the album of the same title.
* The melody (albeit faster tempo) also forms the basis of Eason Chan's song "給愛麗斯", which is a direct translation of Für Elise in Chinese.
* The melody is used by Heavy Metal band Accept on their track Metal Heart.
* Pianist Bradley Joseph introduced his arrangement of "Für Elise" on the 2005 album, For the Love of It.
* The melody is used by Visual kei band MALICE MIZER on their track Baroque, from the EP memoire DX.
* Tenacious D used the melody for the song Classico off the album "The Pick of Destiny".
* In 2006, Smooth Jazz artist Gerry Aire released a modified arrangement of it (in 4/4 time) entitled "The Fur Elise Jam".
* The Uruguayan band El Cuarteto de Nos said in their song "Ya no sé que hacer conmigo" (I don´t know what to do with me), "I've already played on the piano Für Elise", among a lot of other things considered must-do in the song.
* Guitar player Eddie Van Halen would sometimes play it during his solos
* Humorous music writer Josefa Heifetz included the piece in From Bach to Verse with these lyrics:

Why did Ludwig write this awful piece?
It wasn't free.
That was for süre.
The money (all in cash) came from Elise.
Thus it was she
He wrote it für.

[edit] Film

* Für Elise is played both in the trailer for Elephant and is played by Alex Frost's character during the film. He plays most of the piece well but makes a mistake towards the end, causing him much frustration.
* Für Elise is also played on the movie IT, based on the novel with the same title by Stephen King.
* In Are You Afraid of the Dark?, episode "Watcher's Woods," Silvy can be heard playing the piece horribly.
* This haunting melody was played at strategic points during the movie Rosemarys' Baby
* The tune is used as a significant plot device in the film "Grand Tour: Disaster in Time" (1992) with Jeff Daniels and Ariana Richards.
* In the 1990 film Patch Adams Larry is playing the song on his piano (at a slower than normal tempo) when Corrine visits him at home.

[edit] Television

* Schroeder played Für Elise intermittently in A Charlie Brown Christmas (despite being badgered by Lucy Van Pelt in the process); he intended the piece to be the incidental music for the Christmas play.
* Arthur Read usually played this piece on the piano on his show of the same name, including the episode Arthur Vs. The Piano.
* A jazzy 4/4 arrangement of Für Elise was played frequently on The Benny Hill Show throughout the 1970s and 1982 in silent sketches, usually as part of an instrumental medley which also included Mah Nà Mah Nà and Gimme Dat Ding.
* The character of Jessica Harrison (played by Sigrid Thornton) in the movie "The Man from Snowy River" plays "Fur Elise".
* Also in "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" Will Smith plays it at the end of the first show of the first season

[edit] On vehicles

* In some countries, including parts of Taiwan and Iran, the tune is played by garbage trucks to notify people to bring their trash out to be picked up.
* In Brazil and Turkey the tune is played on trucks that sell gas cylinders to notify people that the truck is nearby[citation needed].
* In some parts of the world it is also played by ice cream vans.

[Sami]

joygasm I kinda already posted that

[joygasm]

Um Sami... That was just my way of turning the thread back to topic to see if there was any other input...

[Sami]

ah, sorry

[BTStars]

It's in Rosemary's Baby too, which I haven't seen but I read about. It's a movie about a pregnant woman whose neighbours have a creepy religious/satanic interest in her baby(which turns out the be the antichrist)... It's a bit of a streatch but the order is fond of stealing/messing around with babies.

You know, I've been wondering for quite sometime now if this is what the Order wants with Bree...to impregnate her, via a sex magick "ceremony", and then have her bear either a demonic child, or the next High Priestess (Oppy?). However, if the Creators follow the same storyline as "Rosemary's Baby", I'll be quite disappointed.

Maybe the song is not a trigger for Daniel. He didn't start talking like a gangster or anything he kind of seems unaffected and more bewildered by Alex's behavior. He waits for what she has to say because she has a crush on the woman not a hypnotic suggestion.

But maybe its Alex's trigger she plays the song and gets all

Ha ha ha...Alex triggers herself...sahhhweet.

This may all be a coincidence, but I don't think so. Doesn't Jonas constantly refer to movies? I think this should tie in with everything.

Well, for the sake of argument, since he says he's been in virtual seclusion for close to two years, he could be living vicariously through them, or just letting them take him away (like Calgon, lol). Also, he was very engrossed in a movie in "Men are from Mars", so maybe he is just a movie fan.

I'm betting not though. I think the music and movies have significance, but only as far as mood-setting and foreshadowing.

That reminds me. Some of us have noticed quite a few similarities between LG15 and stuff written by Brian K. Vaughan. Specifically "Y: The Last Man" and "Runaways."

I'm about to give away an important part of the first "Runaways" arc, so if you don't want to know, don't look:

One of the main characters in "Runaways" is named "Alex." He turns out to have been loyal all along to the Order-like organization (The Pride) which his and the other kids' parents run.

Sweetie, I would respond to this, but I have no idea what you're talking about. If it's comicbook stuff, I'm not a fan.

Alex Trebeck is evil as well.

Ha ha ha too funny. I also heard he was giving out the questions in exchange for... well, you get my drift.

There already was a supposed clockwork orange reference in one of the episodes With the William Tell Overture... So another reference could be possible.

Do you think maybe they just keeping us chasing our tails for as long as possible, so they can space out the vids to be budget-sensitive?

Just a thought.

But the whole thing is that Jonas posted this. So maybe he thinks this stuff is going to happen.

[longlostposter]

What do you mean, BT? I don't get it.

[Inigo]

There already was a supposed clockwork orange reference in one of the episodes With the William Tell Overture... So another reference could be possible.

I don't think that was a Clockwork reference, Inigo. The William Tell Overture has been used quite a few times in various places when footage was in fast-forward or there was a tumultuous scene (Warner Brothers cartoons, for instance, used it for both purposes).

I disagree. Clearly the most popular usage of the overture (besides the lone ranger) is that sped up sex scene, and the creators do pay a lot of homage to cult movies...

[longlostposter]

How is it that I don't remember a sex scene in "A Clockwork Orange"?

Oh, was that where he bashed the woman's face in with a phallic-looking statue?

[Sami]

How is it that I don't remember a sex scene in "A Clockwork Orange"?

Oh, was that where he bashed the woman's face in with a phallic-looking statue?

in-out in-out

That scene with the phallic statue is not a sex scene.
There's another one where they rape a woman and beat her housband while singin "Singing in The Rain"

(btw, what do you see if you look very closely at my avatar?)

[Lurker]

Inigo's talking about the scene in Clockwork with Alex and the two girls from the record store.

There already was a supposed clockwork orange reference in one of the episodes With the William Tell Overture... So another reference could be possible.

I don't think that was a Clockwork reference, Inigo. The William Tell Overture has been used quite a few times in various places when footage was in fast-forward or there was a tumultuous scene (Warner Brothers cartoons, for instance, used it for both purposes).

I disagree. Clearly the most popular usage of the overture (besides the lone ranger) is that sped up sex scene, and the creators do pay a lot of homage to cult movies...

I don't know that it's clearly the case, Inigo. I imagine the number of people who have seen Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons is comparable to the number who have seen "A Clockwork Orange."

Also, again, Clockwork wasn't the first work of fiction to do that kind of thing. Its presence in "Foosball Battle" is as likely to be the use of a very old technique as it is to be a reference to that film (especially since there was no overt similarity - beyond the presence of the music and the inreased speed of the footage - to the scene in question).

[Sami]

William Tell is not the only thing pointing to A Clockwork Orange.
Beethoven... Alex...

[Lurker]

William Tell is not the only thing pointing to A Clockwork Orange.
Beethoven... Alex...

Possibly. But those also have potential explanations that lie elsewhere (for instance, you yourself have pointed out the connection between Crowley and the name "Alex").

I'm just saying that I don't see how there's enough to go on to call that scene back then a reference to Clockwork.

[Sami]

William Tell is not the only thing pointing to A Clockwork Orange.
Beethoven... Alex...

Possibly. But those also have potential explanations that lie elsewhere (for instance, you yourself have pointed out the connection between Crowley and the name "Alex").

I'm just saying that I don't see how there's enough to go on to call that scene back then a reference to Clockwork.

Beside the Alexander being Crowley's real name, I pointed out the A Lex = No Law / Free will, who's a refrence to both A Clockwork Orange and Crowly.

But you're actually right, putting a little too much into things here, but it's sooo fun

And the milk in the milkbar in a clockwork orange, was full of drugs. Maybe Daniel had some milk to his cookies when he was with the order.

aaaaaaaand the whole thing with being betrayed

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

But anyway, I thought of A Clockwork Orange. Maybe it will trigger Daniel to be a gangster Orderite like it triggered (shit i forgot his name) to get sick and not be violent and rapisty. aah, what an excellent book/movie that was..

Ironically enough, the name of the character you're looking for there is "Alex."

And strangely enough, one of the plot keywords given at IMDB (http://imdb.com/title/tt0066921/) is "mind control" - although having seen that when it first came out (first R movie I ever saw...does that date me, or what?), I'm relatively certain I don't remember ice cream, pizza, or spin art at any point in the movie...



Echo, great start on a thread! Welcome to here!!

I understand the connection between Beethoven and A Clockwork Orange, but I do not remember that song being played in the movie. I have seen it probably 350 times... I checked any music credits I could find and also could not find it. Just because Fur Elise was played in a LG15 video does not tie it to any movie that references Beethoven.

Outside of that. I definitely see it as foreshadowing. I thought of that immediately when I heard it. It was a great choice of songs for this video and I can't wait to see what it is foreshadowing.

Lurker, that is actually really funny.

And Joygasm, I was not actually making a connection. Just saying what I thought of. Just because Fur Elise is in a video doesn't connect it to random countries that use the song as their garbage truck tune either. Since we were all throwing out random connections, I chimed in. Sorry I caused you to do all that work searching for it in the movie.

Although, while we're on A Clockwork Orange. It isn't as well-portrayed in the movie as in the book, has anyone else read it? The mind control theme really does echo the LG15 series well. Not saying Daniel is going to rape and murder anyone or drink milk out of naked female fountains, just pointing out that the story isn't completely irrelevant.

And I didn't realize it was in It. I LOVE STEPHEN KING SOSOSOSOSOSOSOO MUCH. It was on TV just this weekend. Maybe since Tachyon doesn't have a human form persay, she has to take on a physical form as a giant tarantula thing and OpAphid will try to rip out her heart.

Maybe the song is not a trigger for Daniel. He didn't start talking like a gangster or anything he kind of seems unaffected and more bewildered by Alex's behavior. He waits for what she has to say because she has a crush on the woman not a hypnotic suggestion.

But maybe its Alex's trigger she plays the song and gets all

Of course, I don't think Daniel can actually hear the background music in the video while it is being filmed.

Inigo's talking about the scene in Clockwork with Alex and the two girls from the record store.

There already was a supposed clockwork orange reference in one of the episodes With the William Tell Overture... So another reference could be possible.

I don't think that was a Clockwork reference, Inigo. The William Tell Overture has been used quite a few times in various places when footage was in fast-forward or there was a tumultuous scene (Warner Brothers cartoons, for instance, used it for both purposes).

I disagree. Clearly the most popular usage of the overture (besides the lone ranger) is that sped up sex scene, and the creators do pay a lot of homage to cult movies...

I don't know that it's clearly the case, Inigo. I imagine the number of people who have seen Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons is comparable to the number who have seen "A Clockwork Orange."

Also, again, Clockwork wasn't the first work of fiction to do that kind of thing. Its presence in "Foosball Battle" is as likely to be the use of a very old technique as it is to be a reference to that film (especially since there was no overt similarity - beyond the presence of the music and the inreased speed of the footage - to the scene in question).

LMFAO.
That scene (in Clockwork) is the funniest. scene. ever.
Wow. Clockwork is a f*cked up movie. Isn't it excellent?