0127 "Miss Me?" (OpAphid) [02/04/07]

[Ziola]

heh. Totally off-topic...but it was funny in my cold medicine addled brain...

If Cassie can be Bree's alternate personality,

does that make Nikki B Daniels alternate personality?

[Cassie_xx]

I don't think it's Daniel.
Daniel doesn't talk like that.
D<

[omegawoman]

We have brought up time to time that Bree may have a split personality, but we never did consider maybe Daniel having one too. Or, maybe they both have twins, one evil and one good.

[Osei]

Um, just to put my 2 cents in about the drug/no drug issue.

When my dad had his gall bladder out a few weeks ago, he was on morphine and some other painkiller (it starts with a D). Well, he got lost on the way to the bathroom, got lost on the way back to his bed in the emergency room, and after the surgery he told people (for hours) that he had his CABBAGE taken out. So, I think that it is quite realistic for Daniel to have been drugged up, asked a whole bunch of questions and then had his answers edited together.

I agree with the "drugged up" theory. I just don't think it was either LSD or MDMA. Other drugs however... very big possibility. And editing was definitely done.

Though I still say my first thought was that it wasn't him at all.. just some sort of hologram and a voice pattern thingy.

OR it's a bit of both.. that actually seems most likely to me.

yeah. I'm gonna shut up now because I feel like we are all repeating ourselves... lol.

[Kasdeja]

Where the hell are Bree and Jonas?

[chevyfudd]

I am back. Late night last night with the super bowl.

Anyway, any new ideas about what is going on?

I agree where the heck is bree and jonas?

[aeryolol]

Where the hell are Bree and Jonas?

^^ What I want to know ^^

[Ziola]

Maybe she's breaking her purity bond?

Actually, I hope that they are working on some sort of a plan. If they continue to sit around and wait for someone to rescue them or solve their problems, they are pretty much screwed.

[chevyfudd]

MAybe they are hiding out making a plan. I hope the next video is them talking about this one. I want to know what bree thinks of this.

[kinkyliquorice]

Does this mean that we are gonna have to start watching OpAphid to understand the story?
Cos yeh..Ive never watched it before because I tried to and found it all too confusing.
Good video though, although I dont think its Daniel somehow.
Maybe the Cowboy guy is Oppy? I mean no-one said that Oppy was DEFINITELY a girl

[kinkyliquorice]

Maybe the Cowboy is Oppy? I mean no-one said that Oppy was DEFINITELY a girl
Probably not though..wouldnt have thought OpAphid would want to make him/herself so obviously known.
Argh Im really confused..I dont follow OpAphid that much so does this mean we are going to have to start watching all the Op videos to understand the story or will just the relevant ones be posted on the website?
Hmm.

[chevyfudd]

You don't have to watch the Op videos. Just know who she is and you will be fine. I would suggest just reading the LGpedia to get some basic knowledge of Op.

[Kasdeja]

I watch op and consider Op and Tach the same as I used to consider Gemma and Jonas. YOu don't have to play the ARG. If it's listed on the main page then it has to do with the LG15 story directly. The videos are usually more interesting, anyway...and it's not like they are long...just watch them as they pop up there.

And, Op said she was female, to those who are unsure.

[consideration]

This reminded me of the whole Patty Hearst/SLA scandal back in the day, so I looked up a bit about it on Wiki. I found something interesting.

In her trial, which commenced on January 15, 1976, Hearst's attorney claimed that she had been blindfolded, imprisoned in a narrow closet, and physically and sexually abused. The claim that her actions were the result of a concerted brainwashing program was central to her defense. (Hearst's actions have also been attributed to "Stockholm syndrome," in which hostages sympathize with the aims of their captors.)

[Lurker]

Here's a concept: I think maybe that at the time Daniel was filmed for this video, he didn't know he was being held by the Order. I think he thought he was talking to the police or other authority, and trying to explain to them about the Order, ceremony, Cassie etc. He was probably high as a kite from drugs that Cowboy gave him. That's how they got him talking so freely for parts of the video.

But Daniel might have suspected that something wasn't right, especially if the "police" or whoever got more obvious in trying to get him to say certain things, such as the greeting to Bree. And so, as people have noted, he's "not himself" in these segments.

When I watched the video the first time, I came away thinking "ZOMG he's totally brainwashed." The second time, however, I paid more attention to the cuts and the sound, and came away thinking that it's all a clever edit job and Daniel isn't brainwashed at all. The cuts create meaning by juxtaposing possibly unrelated sentences (example: "your dad" and "he meant for that to happen.") I don't think it's a coincidence that some of his more WTF statements are also ones where the sound is attenuated so much you can hardly tell who's speaking, ahem.

I still think this theory doesn't really make sense. Or maybe not so much that it doesn't make sense as it doesn't seem like it would matter even if it's true.

The things Daniel says in a single cut between jumps are screwed up enough that OpAphid wouldn't have to cut it up out of context to make him "say" something he didn't intend to. If she's already got him under her power enough to make him say any of the following things, then whether the video was cut up out of order really wouldn't matter:

-"We have Daniel"
-"I have new friends"
-"Yo girl, when we gonna hit up that ceremony?"
-"Come on, just do the ceremony"
-"I think you should do the ceremony"
-"P. Monkey and Owen, I got mad love for them" (probably the line that stands out more than any other as bullshit)
-"I'm gonna try to join the Order"
-"Yeah, I remember that girl Cassie. She was in my class. She'd want you to do the ceremony too"
-"Listen to your friend Daniel. Do the ceremony"

None of these are things Daniel would say normally anyway.

I wonder if they even really have Daniel at all!

Whys that? Since all of the cuts and what not? I'm pretty sure they have him. In my opinion. *shrug*

he is wearing the same shirt as he was like over 2 month ago, and seeing as he wouldnt have chance to change was it filmed within the last few days or a long time ago?

I'm not so sure the clothing is relevant. What the actors wear is, I think, just what the actors wear, and really has nothing to do with their characters. For instance, Bree has somehow managed to wear a different outfit everytime we see her, though that's obviously not reasonable.

I think Daniel was brainwashed and maybe they just made him say that thing about cassie to get Bree's attention, because it could mean something more.oh and yeah either cassie is dead/gone/not there, one of those because of the past tense used.

"She'd"/"she would" doesn't imply past tense, actually. It's a present/future tense in hypothetical terms. One can say "She would do [blank]" about a living person the same as they can a dead person. It probably doesn't suggest whether she's there or not, though (I'm thinking no anyway).

To be honest, I don't think there was anything more to the mention of Cassie than to bring up the only other person who was a friend of Bree's and try using that to antagonize her more. This video seems to be all about OpAphid flaunting her power and trying to make Bree give in.