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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:29 am
by Kasdeja
Mordrack wrote:Maybe Bree lies means that Bree doesn't tell the truth because she doesn't know the truth, but then she could have written bree is lied to...
I could fully support that one.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:31 am
by Farva
Kasdeja wrote:
Mordrack wrote:Maybe Bree lies means that Bree doesn't tell the truth because she doesn't know the truth, but then she could have written bree is lied to...
I could fully support that one.
But if you've played D&D you know that being ignorant of the truth doesn't mean you lie...a lie has to be concious :) If Cassie operates on the same principle, then Bree isn't lying if she doesn't know. And IF Bree is being directly deceptive, we may have a problem, since our basic pretense is a lie.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:31 am
by Dunneh
Well, we're digressing. However Cassie feels about us or Bree-- Moppet works until someone comes up with better probably, if someone wants to try, (and if there is better).

Four is the tricky part. Nothing is clicking together for me like last time.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:32 am
by Mordrack
Yes, I played D&D... and many, many other P&P RPG, too...

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:36 am
by mobilesskwrking
here's another possiblity for the fourth line, and it rhymes with the third line's "commenced":

"A corpse does sit foil incensed"

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:49 am
by sunbean
At least I don't feel so bad now...working this all day yesterday and couldn't solve 2/3/4...and we're still stuck at the same point. Makes me think that maybe cassie messed up her morse or something. Especially since she gave us a new poem already.

Also, fences won't work unless commenced is wrong. If it's correct, it's probably fenced.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:54 am
by Kasdeja
I'm not having much luck with line four. I can get the words "defend possesion trio" "definite donor possess" etc...but the remaining letters in the line don't add up...

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:54 am
by murph25
Another take on line 4:
CEDE IF NIL NOS / A CEDE RIPOSTS SO
=
So parse its code in soil fenced
OR
So parse its code in solid fence

I don't think that's right, but I think we should at least consider both endings "in soil fenced" and "in solid fence". Depending how you split the line, it could also be "in a solid fence". I think the rhyme works well enough without the "d", and the meter looks OK.

I agree that the "lion is fenced" translation didn't seem to fit the context of the poem, but I'm not sure we can reject it yet, seeing how nothing else seems to fit much better. It is possible that the lion represents some sort of landmark to indicate "where".

At any rate, some form of the word "fence" seems likely, since it specifies a location, and we already have a "gate" in the first line, and "garden" in the fifth. If we did something like "licensed" or "silenced", it would never work with the rhythm of the poem, anyway, so I think that would be a dead-end. But, I've been working on line 4 for a while and feel like I'm getting nowhere on it.

CODES TO SERAPIS

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:57 am
by glennhenno
4th line, first half:

A CEDE RIPOSTS SO= codes to serapis

Given the modus operandi of cassie keeping clues up til solved, I believe CODES INTO SERAPIS has never been properly anagrammed, and when it is it will look similar to this line.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:58 am
by Mordrack
I think that CODES INTO SERAPIS means that the following text is an anagram

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:02 am
by unrepentant
The original time she posted codes into serapis it with was an anagram that had the line "but cassie does not rest in peace" - I think we can bet we got that right, and now she posts it every time to remind us it's an anagram.

It's interesting that that line is the same as codes into serapis though... I'm going to look at it.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:02 am
by Farva
I'm also not quite ready to abandon my thoughts on the book by Serapis Bey. But I don't have any access to said book in the next nine days.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:04 am
by glennhenno
I heartily disagree, and have been bothered by the perisitence of that text on her profile, even when there was no morse code beneath it.

I really think we're missing an important part here, and the 4th line hinges on it.

EDIT: We don't need reminding that it's an anagram.

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:04 am
by Mordrack
It's not the same. IN is missing, so I think it's just coincidence

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:05 am
by unrepentant
yeah you can't make both Cassie and RIP, or Cassie and Does Not, so I think we can assume it's not related.