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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:44 am
by exastra
Crowley wrote plays. i haven't found one that involves an adventurer at Plymouth.

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:12 am
by M80mayhem
Not sure how meaningful it is, but here is a list of the Mayflower passengers:

http://pilgrims.net/plymouth/history/passengers.htm

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:15 am
by nobackspacebutton
Daniel should post the video of the play...maybe that would help? Also, anyone else notice candles in the background? on the right side..a picture and some candles.

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:19 am
by nobackspacebutton
Here is a picture from the video...is there anything here we are supposed to see as more clues? I circled the pictures. The one on the right looks familiar, like it was in one of Bree's videos, but I have to go look to make sure.

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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:28 am
by rodrigogar
i think daniel (wasup bro) should tell us more about the play, about what he saw in the play and all.

Also, daniel should try to remember and tell us more about this girl cassie that was in his class and was freaked out by bree's religion. Since the 3 of them were friends, there is a chance cassie told something to daniel about bree's religion and why she was freaked out. Maybe daniel played dumb in the Swimming Video because cassie did tell him something, but he just didnt want to hurt bree's feelings or the friendship, because sometimes religion, politics, beliefs, etc do change friendships.

Also, if the ceremony is done once in every long while, what are the chances that the play itself is a representation of the actual ceremony. He mentioned someone leaving and having adventures or something like that (sorry i cant watch the video right now to be more specific, am at work).

What you think?

edit for spellig and syntax, added 3rd paragraph info

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:29 am
by nobackspacebutton

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:30 am
by spaciegirlreturn
I knew he wasn't the baddy..I guess he could still turn out to be, but I don't think so. There's been a lot of talk about Bree being so appealing as a character.."a piece of all of us" I think they said at some point. It looks like Daniel is turning out to be more the every-man than her.

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:33 am
by Piscin
Perhaps Bree's play is an allegory. Person leaving from Plymouth Rock for adventures=Aleister Crowley leaving Plymouth Bretheren for adventures.

Or maybe, Bree's religious community may have an appreciation for Roger Williams who came over on the Mayflower and was later banished from Massachusetes because he believed in religious tolerance.

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:42 am
by nobackspacebutton
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The history we learn in school eventually turns to stone, and periodically we need a writer who is not just a historian but also a storyteller to sculpt out a fresh and vibrant narrative that makes us see and feel the events anew.

Nathaniel Philbrick has done that with our founding myth, the story of the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth - but apparently not at Plymouth Rock - just before Christmas 1620. They built a precarious settlement on an open graveyard strewn with the bones of Indians who recently had died of a mysterious plague.

About 100 people had made the journey from Holland and England. By the end of the long, terrible first winter, only half of them were still alive. Within a few years, they were joined by thousands more, mostly religious dissidents like the Pilgrims, and Europeans spread across what became New England.

Inevitably, there were skirmishes and then all-out wars between the white newcomers and the red-skinned people who were already here, conflicts sometimes provoked by settlers such as bellicose Capt. Miles Standish.

Philbrick, a saltwater sailor whose "In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex" won the National Book Award for nonfiction in 2000, writes particularly well about ocean voyages and life by the sea. His portrait of the two-month Atlantic crossing of the Mayflower, "her bottom a shaggy pelt of seaweed and barnacles, her leaky decks spewing salt water onto her passengers' devoted heads," captures the reader's imagination from the first pages. And his evocative prose and detailed knowledge of the seacoast sustain the narrative through the first part of the book.

This section concludes with the Mayflower rotting at anchor back home on the Thames and the Pilgrims surviving with the help of Massasoit, an Indian chief who was using his ties with the English to gain power over other tribes.

The story moves inland in the subsequent decades of the 17th century, and the book remains quite readable but is marginally less interesting. The central event of the second half of the book is King Philip's War - "Philip" was the English name of Massasoit's son - a notably bloody two-year conflict that killed thousands of settlers and Indians.

Philbrick argues that the Pilgrims established certain key patterns of thought and behavior that included courage and resourcefulness; mistrust of the Indians and sometimes betrayal of them; aggressive expansion, sometimes accompanied by notably cruel military action and harnessing the economic fires of individualism and capitalism. These qualities, Philbrick argues, continued through the subsequent centuries to mark the people who became Americans, people who initially "had more in common with a cult than with a democratic society."

'Mayflower'
By Nathaniel Philbrick
Published by Viking, 461 pages, $29.95[/img]

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:50 am
by twjaniak
nobackspacebutton wrote:Daniel should post the video of the play...maybe that would help?
I'm posting a video response now asking Daniel to do just this very thing.

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:57 am
by Morgan
I just have to say... oh my god. :o :o :o Finally, we have confirmation of SOMETHING!! UAUAHJAHAHAHA

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:04 am
by khjq
I guess he never noticed that picture of Aleister Crowley hangin on her wall though.......

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:23 am
by ViolinAddict
Well we found the "Mayflower Books."

Wow... that "Violinist" story is... amazing. Scary as hell... but amazing. So, hopefully no demons are going to posess Bree like they do the woman in this story, right? Ah!

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:32 am
by kilgoretroutlovesyou
Woo wrote:Aww, Daniel is one of us now!
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*Kilgore raises his glass*

Gooble, gooble. Gooble, gobble.
We accept him. One of us,
one of us!

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:36 am
by rachelalexis
kilgoretroutlovesyou wrote:
Woo wrote:Aww, Daniel is one of us now!
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*Kilgore raises his glass*

Gooble, gooble. Gooble, gobble.
We accept him. One of us,
one of us!
One of us, one of us!

Can't believe there was a Freaks reference! ROFLMAO :lol: