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I think a better term is "make-love" ceremonies.tannhaus wrote:Don't knock it until you've tried it..Penny wrote:We don't have sexual ceremonies.
I work out also, so I can enjoy a good dessert whenever I want it. I just don't consider cookies a "good dessert", I consider them junk food. I don't have a taste for junk food.Kasdeja wrote:I work out so I can have a cookie now and again...without piss on it. Enjoy your banana.
Sorry, I'm at work, no tiramisu here. Don't get into culinary snobbery with me, you'll surely lose...actually on any front where snobbery is you would lose to me. It's expected. I'm a snob.JerseyJohnny wrote:I work out also, so I can enjoy a good dessert whenever I want it. I just don't consider cookies a "good dessert", I consider them junk food. I don't have a taste for junk food.Kasdeja wrote:I work out so I can have a cookie now and again...without piss on it. Enjoy your banana.
And I never had the option of "piss" on a cookie, but that must be a regional specialty where you're from. Maybe it's like the Thelema "Cakes of Light" that have semen or blood in it??? I have never heard of it though.
I did enjoy my banana, they're very good you know, you should try one sometime!
Actually, my culture has been the victim of that for the last 2000 years, since Christ's apostles brought the Gospel to our nation. We have been persecuted and slaughtered for our beliefs and have been outcasts in that region for centuries. We even suffered through a genocide for it. Still, you'll be hard pressed for any of our Church leaders (who aren't even considered prophets, as BY was by the mormons) making any declarations against the religions of those who persecuted us, and the few you might find would not be so hateful and arrogant as BY or John Taylor's or Orson Pratt's were. And we're talking about non-Christian religions, particularly Islam and Zoroastrianism.Penny wrote: As far as all those anti christian quotes go...I don't doubt that they were said. Especially by Brigham Young (everyone knows his personality was...different from most other prophets of our church). I just ask you to picture yourself being driven out of every place you ever lived. Picture that there is an extermination order out for you and everyother person that believes like you. Picture women that follow your beliefs being rapped. Posessions being stolen. Your holy places being desicrated. All because a bunch of people who call themselves "Christian" have a problem with your beliefs.
That was my point all along. I'm still unsure why you hate being called "not Christian" when "Jesus Christ" is not your god, but one of your gods, and your gods are only 3 of many, many gods (i.e. the council of gods) that your religion believes in. Wouldn't you RATHER be called "mormon" or "LDS" and NOT "Christian" so that nobody confuses you with traditional Christianity? Don't you prefer that people know you worship Jesus Christ as just one of many gods, and that you place another god called Heavenly Father above Jesus Christ? I would think that if I were a mormon I'd want it to be clear to all the Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians that I do NOT believe as they do, and that's why it would be important for them to learn the truths in my Mormon religion. I just don't understand it. I have yet to meet a Christian who says he is "LDS" because he believes in Jesus Christ just like the LDS do; we don't want to be confused with that religion. So I just don't understand it, I guess.Penny wrote: I suppose you are right, I guess we aren't "Christian" according to how Christians have defined it. It doesn't mean that we don't worship Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean that we don't follow his teachings. I suppose I hate being called "not Christian" seeing as WE believe in Christ. We pray in his name.
Again, I believe you, but I would think that to make your religion ring true to me or anyone who is not mormon you'd want to make it clear that you're MORMON or LDS, and NOT Christian, so that we know there's even a big enough difference for us to even listen to your version of the gospel. For example, most baptists, Catholics, etc. don't see a huge problem with going to another Christian Church, even if it doesn't agree with their beliefs 100%, because they recognize that the basics of Christianity are the same in both Churches. My cousin, who is orthodox, is now going to Catholic Church because she married a catholic. She's technically not a member of the Catholic Church, and she doesn't agree with them in everything as much as she does with the Orthodox church, but because the basics are the same, it doesn't matter. It's all "christian", and that's how we see it and that's how the Catholic Church (like other Christian churches) sees it, too.Penny wrote: We are not trying to "trick" people into joining our religion. We want people to be part of our religion if it rings true to them.
First off, I thought I made it clear that my "attack" on Thelema was in jest. Anyway, I don't worship anyone's right to worship anything. Disagreement is not attack. Dialogue is not attack. I don't see why you think it's OK for you to say that you disagree with Thelema and that's not an attack, but my disagreement with any belief is an attack. That's a double standard.Penny wrote: Fine you have only attacked Thelema. Guess what? I don't agree with their teachings either. The thing is, you never saw me attacking their beliefs. Everyone is free to worship as they please. Thats whats so great about freedom of religion. I read quite a bit about Crowley and other aspects of their religion. I found a lot of false info and a lot of correct info about Thelema. It's hard to sift through what is true and what is not since a lot of people make up crap about Thelemites. I wanted to know as much as possible before I formed an opinion on the religion. Guess what? It's not for me. It doesn't mean I need to slam them and their beliefs. I guess I believe in the Golden rule.
The LDS Church doesn't practice it, but it did. And the founder of the LDS Church, Joseph Smith, started the practice. And Brigham Young continued it. And both men married girls who were 14. So I'm never sure why today's LDS seem to have a problem with Warren Jeffs. The only problem I can see that the LDS have with Warren Jeffs is that he is not part of the official LDS Church, but part of a splinter LDS group. But as far as his polygamy, it's not any different from what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did, and both those men are held in very high regard in the Traditional LDS Church. Heck, the LDS Church named their university after Brigham Young - BYU!!! Maybe one day there will be a WJU - Warren Jeffs University - founded by the FLDS???Penny wrote: I have been following the Warren Jeffs story because I think he is a horrible man. Polygamy is one thing (I don't agree with it. The LDS church doesn't practice it) but forcing young girls into marriages to old men (sometimes their own uncles) in the name of religion is wrong. TOTALLY WRONG. I get frustrated since the state of Utah and the state of Arizona don't stop them. I found out that they don't act because they are afraid that they will have another Waco on their hands. That is scary. Warren Jeffs and his followers aren't protected by freedom of religion they are protected by the fact that these fundimentlists have a huge stockpile of weapons and are willing to use them on themselves and on their children.
I never said you worship satan or have sexual ceremonies, although you do have rituals that are copied from Freemasonry. And your symbolism, again, is masonic and occultic. For example, right now you probably have on special underwear that has a compass and square on it - those are masonic symbols. And they have sexual meanings within Masonry. The compass is the male principle and the square is the female principle (use your imagination and it will make sense why they arrange them the way they do). In any case, I believe that the Mormon church practices just as the Masons do in revealing only so much at a time to people about what all the symbols really mean. But that's just what I believe based on what I've researched, I could be wrong.Penny wrote: What goes on in our Temples is special to us. We don't talk about it because we consider it Sacred. I knew what I was getting into before I went into the Temple for the first time. There are classes to prepare us. We go on our own free will. We don't sacrifice animals or people. We don't drink blood. We don't worship satan. We don't have sexual ceremonies.
Right, that's what I mean by "exclusivity". It is exclusive, the Temple. They exclude those who they judge to be unworthy of entering it. You won't find that kind of exclusivity in any Christian Church, at least not officially. There are churches made up of rotten people who are exclusive in nature, but there is never any theological or doctrinal law that says people must earn their way into anything in any Christian church. All services and rituals are open to the public to see. Even participation is permitted to all, although one ought not take communion if he is not a Christian, but that's left up to each individual to decide, you'll never see a church turn someone away from receiving communion.Penny wrote: In order to enter the Temple once it's been dedicated we have to obtain a "temple recommend". We obtain this recommend by living a certain way (keeping the commandments, attending our church meetings, keeping our word of wisdom...etc...).
Those would be fighting words, but I don't recall calling you (mormons) liars. But if I did, then I apologize for that and it was wrong of me. In any case, I hope you have reached a new understanding based on all this dialog, as I have.Penny wrote: The only reason I felt attacked is that you actually called us a bunch of liars and didn't deserve your respect. THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS!
How is it culinary snobbery to not like junk food? That's just my personal tastes. I don't consider myself a snob or otherwise above it, I just don't care for it, I have no taste for it.Kasdeja wrote: Sorry, I'm at work, no tiramisu here. Don't get into culinary snobbery with me, you'll surely lose...actually on any front where snobbery is you would lose to me. It's expected. I'm a snob.
How can I piss on your cookies? I don't even know where you are! And I'm glad you eat bananas - Good for you!!!Kasdeja wrote: I don't like piss on my cookies...which is why I didn't let you piss on it like everything else. I do eat bananas. Only for the potassium, though. Once they start turning yellow with the little brown spots, they taste rotten to me. Greenish yellow is pretty good, though. I prefer citrus, but hey, personal tastes and all.
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